Rotrex C38 Kraftwerks log
Charge pipe diameter does make a difference in net boost seen at the manifold. A larger diameter pipe should yield more pressure. Running an Aftercooler vs a FMIC on a supecharger has a huge difference in pressure. The Aftercooler drops a mear .5 of boost average compared to the 3-4psi FMIC counterpart. Apparently the guys running the rotrex blowers choose to incorporate an FMIC, which on any other centrifugal blower (Paxton) yields less boost/less power. The efficiency loss of the fmic cant compensate for any marginal added cooling the fmic provides in some situations. The rotrex blowers do spin nearly twice as fast I understand ( turbo charger levels) so I equate the need to run an fmic to that, but your losing a lot of the added efficiency of moving to a rotrex design as well. Doesn’t really make sense to move to this kit from a power standpoint if that’s the primary goal. The Paxton/novi1200 produces 1150cfm at max blower speed which is a substantial improvement still over the c38 if the 1000cfm is accurate, couple the 1200 with a aftercooler set up and it should yield far greater potential. I dont see the new c38 kit getting much more then about 415whp Dynojet.
http://www.rotrex.com/Home/Superchar...b-3de33dbb1be9
http://www.automotivating.com/Spyder/supercharger.html
Originally Posted by 06S2k07Si
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o5Gkar6R5Pk http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Xt492vZFyZs
I personally have discussed this issue of no warranty and why over the phone with Richard at TTS (the owner). The lack of warranty has NOTHING to do with how TTS is using the product...it is a Rotrex issue.
Originally Posted by s2000Junky' timestamp='1396039392' post='23086296
Charge pipe diameter does make a difference in net boost seen at the manifold. A larger diameter pipe should yield more pressure. Running an Aftercooler vs a FMIC on a supecharger has a huge difference in pressure. The Aftercooler drops a mear .5 of boost average compared to the 3-4psi FMIC counterpart. Apparently the guys running the rotrex blowers choose to incorporate an FMIC, which on any other centrifugal blower (Paxton) yields less boost/less power. The efficiency loss of the fmic cant compensate for any marginal added cooling the fmic provides in some situations. The rotrex blowers do spin nearly twice as fast I understand ( turbo charger levels) so I equate the need to run an fmic to that, but your losing a lot of the added efficiency of moving to a rotrex design as well. Doesn’t really make sense to move to this kit from a power standpoint if that’s the primary goal. The Paxton/novi1200 produces 1150cfm at max blower speed which is a substantial improvement still over the c38 if the 1000cfm is accurate, couple the 1200 with a aftercooler set up and it should yield far greater potential. I dont see the new c38 kit getting much more then about 415whp Dynojet.
http://www.rotrex.com/Home/Superchar...b-3de33dbb1be9
http://www.automotivating.com/Spyder/supercharger.html
water cooling is more consist then air cooling overall, however air cooling can drop in temp quicker if it heats up, whether as water takes a bit more time. At the end of the day though, the short/direct design of the after cooler is what makes it a natural choice for a blower unit that has a low rpm cap, allowing the full amount of boost/cfm to enter the engine without losses. This also makes a more responsive throttle modulation which is nice to have when you enjoy the character of a naturally aspirated motor, but just want more power the sc provides.
so my thought is the fmic/sc combo is a total buzz kill lol
Seems pretty poor that a "professional" company is now speculating about another company's product. Very unprofessional Kraftwerks.
I personally have discussed this issue of no warranty and why over the phone with Richard at TTS (the owner). The lack of warranty has NOTHING to do with how TTS is using the product...it is a Rotrex issue.
Lets put this to bed.
TTS AP1 PULLEY SIZE :- 125mm CRANK 95mm SUPERCHARGER MAX RPM AT 9100RPM ENGINE IS 89,802 SUPERCHARGER IMPELLER SPEED
TTS AP2 PULLEY SIZE :- 135mm CRANK 95mm SUPERCHARGER MAX RPM AT 8500RPM ENGINE IS 90,592 SUPERCHARGER IMPELLER SPEED
TTS AP2 PULLEY SIZE :- 135mm CRANK 90mm SUPERCHARGER MAX RPM AT 8000RPM ENGINE IS 90,000 SUPERCHARGER IMPELLER SPEED (HIGHER TORQUE OPTION)
WITH RACE INTERCOOLER AND PIPEWORK WE SEE 17-20 PSI DEPENDING ON EXHAUST AND CAM SET UP. WE TEST AT 300 FT ABOVE SEA LEVEL AS THIS IS OUR WORKSHOP ELEVATION. CORRECTION FACTORS ON SAE ARE USUALLY + - 1-2%.
THE QUALITY OF OUR IN HOUSE CONSTRUCTED INTERCOOLER AND PIPEWORK IS WHAT GIVE TTS THE PERFORMANCE.
TTS AP1 PULLEY SIZE :- 125mm CRANK 95mm SUPERCHARGER MAX RPM AT 9100RPM ENGINE IS 89,802 SUPERCHARGER IMPELLER SPEED
TTS AP2 PULLEY SIZE :- 135mm CRANK 95mm SUPERCHARGER MAX RPM AT 8500RPM ENGINE IS 90,592 SUPERCHARGER IMPELLER SPEED
TTS AP2 PULLEY SIZE :- 135mm CRANK 90mm SUPERCHARGER MAX RPM AT 8000RPM ENGINE IS 90,000 SUPERCHARGER IMPELLER SPEED (HIGHER TORQUE OPTION)
WITH RACE INTERCOOLER AND PIPEWORK WE SEE 17-20 PSI DEPENDING ON EXHAUST AND CAM SET UP. WE TEST AT 300 FT ABOVE SEA LEVEL AS THIS IS OUR WORKSHOP ELEVATION. CORRECTION FACTORS ON SAE ARE USUALLY + - 1-2%.
THE QUALITY OF OUR IN HOUSE CONSTRUCTED INTERCOOLER AND PIPEWORK IS WHAT GIVE TTS THE PERFORMANCE.
I'm almost there. I believe this week lll have a dyno graph for everyone.
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The missing pieces have been a bump in the road but they have done a good job so far correcting that.
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The missing pieces have been a bump in the road but they have done a good job so far correcting that.









