SOS Kit Tuned
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Originally Posted by LeonGalt,Apr 24 2009, 09:33 AM
Wait, the Vortech Si trim is a Novi 1200?
(runs off to do some googling)
Ok, wow, that was enlightening. I had no idea, I really though they were 2 different things all this time. So, if the blower is the same, why so many comptech vs vortech threads all these years? Even now, there is always an X vs Y thread up somewhere. And the SOS is just another one of these same blowers too right?
Except I've also always heard the VT kit is capable of more boost and greater expandability. Why is that if they are all the same?
I'm just learning this stuff, so please forgive my ignorance. I also don't know what the difference is between these "trims" and will go try to learn that now.
You mention that this blower isn't a good match for a 2.0 liter. What would be a better match and why?
Thanks much,
J
(runs off to do some googling)
Ok, wow, that was enlightening. I had no idea, I really though they were 2 different things all this time. So, if the blower is the same, why so many comptech vs vortech threads all these years? Even now, there is always an X vs Y thread up somewhere. And the SOS is just another one of these same blowers too right?
Except I've also always heard the VT kit is capable of more boost and greater expandability. Why is that if they are all the same?
I'm just learning this stuff, so please forgive my ignorance. I also don't know what the difference is between these "trims" and will go try to learn that now.
You mention that this blower isn't a good match for a 2.0 liter. What would be a better match and why?
Thanks much,
J
Well CT was using the NOVI 1000. That blower was desinged by Paxton before VT bought them out. The NOVI 1000 was different from the VT S-Trim. The NOVI 1000 wasn't very efficient so when VT came up with the Si and SCi the NOVI 1000 was replaced by the 1200 and 1220 series.
There's a lot of things you guys (consumers/S2000 community) don't know. If VT was allowed to become a paid sponsor I could clearly explain a lot of things. For some strange reason this site doesn't want to allow VT to become a paid sponsor. After many attempts to contact sales@S2ki VT has given up. I guess money is just pouring into this site and they don't need/want any more. I'm glad S2Ki is doing that well.
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Wow, clearly there is a lot I don't know. I've never heard of any of this. And that is frustrating. But I appreciate you taking the time to at least give this much input.
Also, no intention of thread jacking here, thanks for posting up results OP. I agree with the others, I was hoping for much bigger numbers considering the built engine and high boost levels, but I totally respect your being happy with the results. I do think it would be tough to whine about running around on 400whp.
Hopefully we'll see a lot more SOS kit results in the coming weeks.
J
Also, no intention of thread jacking here, thanks for posting up results OP. I agree with the others, I was hoping for much bigger numbers considering the built engine and high boost levels, but I totally respect your being happy with the results. I do think it would be tough to whine about running around on 400whp.
Hopefully we'll see a lot more SOS kit results in the coming weeks.
J
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Originally Posted by Terror,Apr 24 2009, 12:37 PM
Any plans to touch the top end of the motor?
The numbers look great. I'm sure once you get a better flowing exhaust, you will gain quite a bit of power.
The numbers look great. I'm sure once you get a better flowing exhaust, you will gain quite a bit of power.
Thanks for the extra info Frank! To bad you cant give out more.
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Originally Posted by s2000442,Apr 24 2009, 03:00 PM
Wait a minute, so you are saying that the Novi 1200 is the vortech si trim. This blower is more efficient 78% vs 75% for the SCI. The max boost pressure for the SI is 22psi, 1150cfm etc. The SCI standard with the vortech units are max boost 17psi, 1050 cfm and only 75% efficient. Are you saying that the less efficient voretch sci blower is better than the novi 1200? (which you claim is the vortech si blower) I would think the SI blower would be able to spin lower to achieve 18psi since it tops out at the same rpm as the sci? If both these blowers were to spin at 5300rpm then one is producing more boost than the other. I take it this kit can realistically obtain 22psi with the novi 1200? I thought this kit maxed out at 17-18psi?
You can compare using the charts via this link:
http://www.vortechsuperchargers.com/scspecsheet.php
Except I've also always heard the VT kit is capable of more boost and greater expandability. Why is that if they are all the same?
Yes vortech is a little more upgradeable in their blower selection if that is what people want. They have a t-trim blower that sideways uses.
You can compare using the charts via this link:
http://www.vortechsuperchargers.com/scspecsheet.php
Except I've also always heard the VT kit is capable of more boost and greater expandability. Why is that if they are all the same?
Yes vortech is a little more upgradeable in their blower selection if that is what people want. They have a t-trim blower that sideways uses.
I'm not saying the Si is better than the SCi. I'm saying for this application F20/22 the SCi/1220 is a better match. You would have to spin the SCi faster than the Si to acheve the same amount of boost. However, the SCi on a 2.0L or 2.2L would generate less heat than the Si due to the impeller. If we're talking about a 5.0L or 5.7L motor (something with more displacement) then the Si is a better match. Heat isn't such a big issue. The Si is rated for 17PSI MAX. The 20-22 PSI is for a V1 HD Si with heavy duty bearings. I know, it gets confusing.
When people compare the VT and Paxton on this forum they usually think of the NOVI 1000 VS. the SC-Trim. The SC-Trim was capable of more boost than the NOVI 1000. The VT sill has greater expandability. You can upgrade blowers or trims using your unit. Paxton doesn't offer that. If you have a NOVI 1200 and want a 1500 you have to buy a whole new unit, there is no "upgrade" using your blower.
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Originally Posted by klimaxx805,Apr 24 2009, 03:47 PM
Hi,
I'm not saying the Si is better than the SCi. I'm saying for this application F20/22 the SCi/1220 is a better match. You would have to spin the SCi faster than the Si to acheve the same amount of boost. However, the SCi on a 2.0L or 2.2L would generate less heat than the Si due to the impeller. If we're talking about a 5.0L or 5.7L motor (something with more displacement) then the Si is a better match. Heat isn't such a big issue. The Si is rated for 17PSI MAX. The 20-22 PSI is for a V1 HD Si with heavy duty bearings. I know, it gets confusing.
When people compare the VT and Paxton on this forum they usually think of the NOVI 1000 VS. the SC-Trim. The SC-Trim was capable of more boost than the NOVI 1000. The VT sill has greater expandability. You can upgrade blowers or trims using your unit. Paxton doesn't offer that. If you have a NOVI 1200 and want a 1500 you have to buy a whole new unit, there is no "upgrade" using your blower.
-Frank
I'm not saying the Si is better than the SCi. I'm saying for this application F20/22 the SCi/1220 is a better match. You would have to spin the SCi faster than the Si to acheve the same amount of boost. However, the SCi on a 2.0L or 2.2L would generate less heat than the Si due to the impeller. If we're talking about a 5.0L or 5.7L motor (something with more displacement) then the Si is a better match. Heat isn't such a big issue. The Si is rated for 17PSI MAX. The 20-22 PSI is for a V1 HD Si with heavy duty bearings. I know, it gets confusing.
When people compare the VT and Paxton on this forum they usually think of the NOVI 1000 VS. the SC-Trim. The SC-Trim was capable of more boost than the NOVI 1000. The VT sill has greater expandability. You can upgrade blowers or trims using your unit. Paxton doesn't offer that. If you have a NOVI 1200 and want a 1500 you have to buy a whole new unit, there is no "upgrade" using your blower.
-Frank
Thanks for clearing that up! Sounds like the 1220 blower is a better fit for the SOS kit than the 1200, interesting. I know the 1220 is a direct bolt on replacement vs the 1200. I have wondered what the difference in blowers were because the paxton site tells you nothing and there is no direct comparison between the paxton vs vortech blowers even though vortech makes both of them anyway!
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Originally Posted by s2000442,Apr 24 2009, 05:10 PM
Frank,
Thanks for clearing that up! Sounds like the 1220 blower is a better fit for the SOS kit than the 1200, interesting. I know the 1220 is a direct bolt on replacement vs the 1200. I have wondered what the difference in blowers were because the paxton site tells you nothing and there is no direct comparison between the paxton vs vortech blowers even though vortech makes both of them anyway!
Thanks for clearing that up! Sounds like the 1220 blower is a better fit for the SOS kit than the 1200, interesting. I know the 1220 is a direct bolt on replacement vs the 1200. I have wondered what the difference in blowers were because the paxton site tells you nothing and there is no direct comparison between the paxton vs vortech blowers even though vortech makes both of them anyway!
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Originally Posted by 518135,Apr 24 2009, 10:55 PM
Just an FYI but the blower that came with my SOS kit is a 1220SL. I will take a pic tomorrow of the setup and the name plate on the charger.