Surveying the latest SC options
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From: MAHT-O-MEDI
Originally Posted by vader1' timestamp='1313261254' post='20875000
[quote name='Habitforming' timestamp='1313194745' post='20873664']
What kind of MPG are you seeing in casual driving (this in no way impacts my decision - just casual curiosity)?
What kind of MPG are you seeing in casual driving (this in no way impacts my decision - just casual curiosity)?
My last tanks was 24 mpg. I usually get 22-23. My driving style is usually a steady cruise and not leadfooted on the freeway, but I do like to wind out first and second from a stop all the time when no one is in front of me because that is where I get my fun. Even on my first couple tanks when I was wringing it out everywhere when the kit was new I think I got 21. I think if it were fine tuned a little I could do better, but I am using the Emanage basemap I got with the kit. Mark tuned it to run set AFR off of a wideband but it runs a little rich when hot.
If you live in a warm climate I would HIGHLY reccomend a NACA duct in the hood like a couple people have done or some other creative solution. I am cooking up a couple things to try out when I have the time to tinker with the intake and get it some cooler air.
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This thread shows what I did to get a bigger filter in there and increase one of the stock intake pieces from about 2.75 inches to a full 3 inch.
https://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/779...#entry18494561
I have no idea if that did much of anything but since all of the intake tract was 3 inch except for one piece I thought I would start by taking out a bottle neck.
Getting air through the fender would be difficult. The BEST option for this kit IMHO is to do a wire tuck and relocate the power steering computer and fuse box and take them out of the general area of the header and then do a NACA duct in the hood with some homemade heat shielding. This was too much work for me to do.
What I am undertaking this week is to make a custom grill in the driver side "foglight" cutout, and route some dryer vent from there to the hole in the body work near the headlight. Saw someone do that for a turbo in another thread. They had the filter then right there next to that hole but it is not really possible to get the filter forward of the strut tower. I am just doing this to vent a little cooler ram air into the engine bay past the radiator. Will it help? Dunno, but it gives me something to do and I don't think it will hurt. I'd like to add a NACA dust and might next year but am limiting how much I drop into it because I'd like to pick up a used Cayman in the next couple years.
I think I saw a post of someone who had this kit in a race application (so the interior of the car was gutted) and that person had cut a hole in the firewall and the air filter was actually below the dash in the passenger footwell sucking air. Thats a little extreme for me.
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Well I think we can put the nail in the coffin for the SOT supercharger kit. I received a response from James @ SOT on 8/14 basically saying that while he could put a couple more kits together, he will need time to source the parts, the intercooler is no longer available (have to source your own now), and he'll need 100% deposit up front. Since then I left two replies and have heard nothing back. If communication is already this poor, I'd have a very hard time putting down 100% deposit - who knows if the full kit would ever materialize.
Going to test drive someone's 350+hp SOS kit in a few weeks and see what I think of it. Was really hoping for a roots blower, but I guess it's not in the cards
Going to test drive someone's 350+hp SOS kit in a few weeks and see what I think of it. Was really hoping for a roots blower, but I guess it's not in the cards
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AVOID the self lube kit, even when I talk to expert vendors they agree, get the normal kit.
I've had every brand supercharger from the big 3 (Comptech, Vortech and now SOS) Love my SOS the most maybe because it puts the most HP but to be fair this is the only kit I'm running external engine management (Hondata Flashpro) and larger injectors.
I miss the polished blower look of my Comptech. I don't know why buy the SOS NOVI 1220 blower is just cast and the front portion is powdercoated black. I'm very big on visual so for me I want to go fast but it must look good too.
This is my current setup on my latest car:
I've had every brand supercharger from the big 3 (Comptech, Vortech and now SOS) Love my SOS the most maybe because it puts the most HP but to be fair this is the only kit I'm running external engine management (Hondata Flashpro) and larger injectors.
I miss the polished blower look of my Comptech. I don't know why buy the SOS NOVI 1220 blower is just cast and the front portion is powdercoated black. I'm very big on visual so for me I want to go fast but it must look good too.
This is my current setup on my latest car:
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Well I think we can put the nail in the coffin for the SOT supercharger kit. I received a response from James @ SOT on 8/14 basically saying that while he could put a couple more kits together, he will need time to source the parts, the intercooler is no longer available (have to source your own now), and he'll need 100% deposit up front. Since then I left two replies and have heard nothing back. If communication is already this poor, I'd have a very hard time putting down 100% deposit - who knows if the full kit would ever materialize.
Going to test drive someone's 350+hp SOS kit in a few weeks and see what I think of it. Was really hoping for a roots blower, but I guess it's not in the cards
Going to test drive someone's 350+hp SOS kit in a few weeks and see what I think of it. Was really hoping for a roots blower, but I guess it's not in the cards
That is too bad. Its a great kit. I wonder why the intercooler kit is no longer available. It is still listed on the PWR website. Maybe they got a deal on a bulk purchase in the beginning that would be more expensive now. It includes a very small radiator (sourceable) and inline pump (off the shelf piece) some hoses and the barrel which PWR still sells.
I am going to get my outlet manifold bored out, woodruff key installed in the cam and get it fine tuned. Can't wait to see how it runs then.
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Originally Posted by Habitforming' timestamp='1314707598' post='20926756
Well I think we can put the nail in the coffin for the SOT supercharger kit. I received a response from James @ SOT on 8/14 basically saying that while he could put a couple more kits together, he will need time to source the parts, the intercooler is no longer available (have to source your own now), and he'll need 100% deposit up front. Since then I left two replies and have heard nothing back. If communication is already this poor, I'd have a very hard time putting down 100% deposit - who knows if the full kit would ever materialize.
Going to test drive someone's 350+hp SOS kit in a few weeks and see what I think of it. Was really hoping for a roots blower, but I guess it's not in the cards
Going to test drive someone's 350+hp SOS kit in a few weeks and see what I think of it. Was really hoping for a roots blower, but I guess it's not in the cards
That is too bad. Its a great kit. I wonder why the intercooler kit is no longer available. It is still listed on the PWR website. Maybe they got a deal on a bulk purchase in the beginning that would be more expensive now. It includes a very small radiator (sourceable) and inline pump (off the shelf piece) some hoses and the barrel which PWR still sells.
I am going to get my outlet manifold bored out, woodruff key installed in the cam and get it fine tuned. Can't wait to see how it runs then.
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4) Usage - I do not daily drive, it barely sees 2,000 miles in a year. I track the car occasionally. I drive the Dragon once a year minimum, and this is the playground I am focused on. I do not drag race, and have zero intention of it in the future (except maybe once to qualify the car's performance).
5) Performance - As I said I do not drag race, and am not looking for a crazy high HP number. But the car could certainly do with more power. I'm just as interested in filling out the mid-range power band as I am the peak HP.
6) Reversibility - Not crucial, but I like the idea of being able to remove everything and go back to stock. i.e. not having to add oil lines, relocate things, etc
5) Performance - As I said I do not drag race, and am not looking for a crazy high HP number. But the car could certainly do with more power. I'm just as interested in filling out the mid-range power band as I am the peak HP.
6) Reversibility - Not crucial, but I like the idea of being able to remove everything and go back to stock. i.e. not having to add oil lines, relocate things, etc
I'm running the SOS kit with the Novi 1200 @ 15.5 psi. It really transformed the car. On a two-lane road, I can wait behind a semi @ 50mph until we reach a passing zone, drop into 3rd and stomp it, and the car just hurls itself forward. It feels like maybe 2-3 seconds and I'm at the top of 3rd, already next to the cab of the semi, and shifting into 4th (though I'm already moving so fast I could just coast by). A second later and I'm past him, starting to get back over into my lane. There's no time to look at the tach since I'm watching for oncoming traffic and it all happens so fast. This ain't no little Honda anymore! It's completely unlike anything a NA S2000 can do. The best word to describe the experience is "violent".
So, the top end power is just awesome. Based on my test drives, I'd say it's faster than an LS2 'Vette and maybe comparable to an LS3. Midrange is solid as long as you lower VTEC. That makes a huge difference. I've got mine at 4,500rpm right now and I'm moving it down to 3,000rpm with my next tune. Low end is noticeably better than stock (translation: the car never feels slow anymore) but isn't awesome. I'm hoping dropping VTEC lower will help that a bit.
The Novi 1200 makes a lot of noise, and the higher you spin it the more noise it makes. Mine is all gear lash and mechanical thrash; no cool whooshing noises or anything. It doesn't sound cool or sporty, just loud and mechanical. It makes the exhaust louder too, which compensates a bit. I rode in a KW AP2 once and those have more of the turbo whoosh sound which is pretty neat. The KW setup complements the F20/F22 very nicely and is a great kit for DD cars, but I knew I'd want more power so I went SOS and kept swapping pulleys until I had enough.
My other favorite thing to do is to merge onto a multi-lane highway from low speed, say 20mph when the other cars are doing 50-55. Let a bunch of them roll past you, then stomp it in 2nd and feel the car gather itself up and shove you back in the seat as it takes off. A few seconds later you're at the top of 2nd and about to shift when you realize that all of those cars (which were flying past you) are now moving back toward you because you're overtaking them. It's like somebody hit Rewind on a video of highway traffic! Really strange sensation, and very cool. This was my first WOT experience at this power level (on the way home from my last tune) and it blew me away. At first I was like, WTF? because it seemed like everything was moving backwards toward me all of a sudden. It actually took my brain a while to realize I had caught up to them and was moving faster than they were because it had all happened so fast. Never felt that before...
Oh, and the SOS kit is completely reversible. No cutting or drilling, yada yada yada.
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Originally Posted by Habitforming' timestamp='1312818045' post='20857516
4) Usage - I do not daily drive, it barely sees 2,000 miles in a year. I track the car occasionally. I drive the Dragon once a year minimum, and this is the playground I am focused on. I do not drag race, and have zero intention of it in the future (except maybe once to qualify the car's performance).
5) Performance - As I said I do not drag race, and am not looking for a crazy high HP number. But the car could certainly do with more power. I'm just as interested in filling out the mid-range power band as I am the peak HP.
6) Reversibility - Not crucial, but I like the idea of being able to remove everything and go back to stock. i.e. not having to add oil lines, relocate things, etc
5) Performance - As I said I do not drag race, and am not looking for a crazy high HP number. But the car could certainly do with more power. I'm just as interested in filling out the mid-range power band as I am the peak HP.
6) Reversibility - Not crucial, but I like the idea of being able to remove everything and go back to stock. i.e. not having to add oil lines, relocate things, etc
I'm running the SOS kit with the Novi 1200 @ 15.5 psi. It really transformed the car. On a two-lane road, I can wait behind a semi @ 50mph until we reach a passing zone, drop into 3rd and stomp it, and the car just hurls itself forward. It feels like maybe 2-3 seconds and I'm at the top of 3rd, already next to the cab of the semi, and shifting into 4th (though I'm already moving so fast I could just coast by). A second later and I'm past him, starting to get back over into my lane. There's no time to look at the tach since I'm watching for oncoming traffic and it all happens so fast. This ain't no little Honda anymore! It's completely unlike anything a NA S2000 can do.
So, the top end power is just awesome. Midrange is solid as long as you lower VTEC. That makes a huge difference. I've got mine at 4,500rpm right now and I'm moving it down to 3,000rpm with my next tune. Low end is noticeably better than stock (translation: the car never feels slow anymore) but isn't awesome. I'm hoping dropping VTEC lower will help that a bit.
The Novi 1200 makes a lot of noise, and the higher you spin it the more noise it makes. Mine is all gear lash and mechanical thrash; no cool whooshing noises or anything. It doesn't sound cool or sporty, just loud and mechanical. It makes the exhaust louder too, which compensates a bit. I rode in a KW AP2 once and those have more of the turbo whoosh sound which is pretty neat. The KW setup complements the F20/F22 very nicely and is a great kit for DD cars, but I knew I'd want more power so I went SOS and kept swapping pulleys until I had enough.
My other favorite thing to do is to merge onto a multi-lane highway from low speed, say 20mph when the other cars are doing 50-55. Let a bunch of them roll past you, then stomp it in 2nd and feel the car gather itself up and shove you back in the seat as it takes off. A few seconds later you're at the top of 2nd and about to shift when you realize that all of those cars (which were flying past you) are now moving back toward you because you're overtaking them. It's like somebody hit Rewind on a video of highway traffic! Really strange sensation, and very cool. This was my first WOT experience at this power level (on the way home from my last tune) and it blew me away.
Oh, and the SOS kit is completely reversible. No cutting or drilling, yada yada yada.
I can safely say at this point with my NV1000 at 15psi, I have much the same experience. Considering I made 375whp at 11psi, it wouldn’t surprise me to be netting about the same hp as you are with the 1200 listed in your sig. I like the idea of the 1200 blower, seems like the natural next progression, but hearing your feedback on its sound isn’t very inspiring. The NV1000 really has a nice smooth whistle that sounds bad ass I think, it definitely turns heads with thumbs up. Maybe I ought to just be happy with what I have, or skip to the 1500 
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Originally Posted by Torque Obsessed' timestamp='1314826984' post='20932483
[quote name='Habitforming' timestamp='1312818045' post='20857516']
4) Usage - I do not daily drive, it barely sees 2,000 miles in a year. I track the car occasionally. I drive the Dragon once a year minimum, and this is the playground I am focused on. I do not drag race, and have zero intention of it in the future (except maybe once to qualify the car's performance).
5) Performance - As I said I do not drag race, and am not looking for a crazy high HP number. But the car could certainly do with more power. I'm just as interested in filling out the mid-range power band as I am the peak HP.
6) Reversibility - Not crucial, but I like the idea of being able to remove everything and go back to stock. i.e. not having to add oil lines, relocate things, etc
4) Usage - I do not daily drive, it barely sees 2,000 miles in a year. I track the car occasionally. I drive the Dragon once a year minimum, and this is the playground I am focused on. I do not drag race, and have zero intention of it in the future (except maybe once to qualify the car's performance).
5) Performance - As I said I do not drag race, and am not looking for a crazy high HP number. But the car could certainly do with more power. I'm just as interested in filling out the mid-range power band as I am the peak HP.
6) Reversibility - Not crucial, but I like the idea of being able to remove everything and go back to stock. i.e. not having to add oil lines, relocate things, etc
I'm running the SOS kit with the Novi 1200 @ 15.5 psi. It really transformed the car. On a two-lane road, I can wait behind a semi @ 50mph until we reach a passing zone, drop into 3rd and stomp it, and the car just hurls itself forward. It feels like maybe 2-3 seconds and I'm at the top of 3rd, already next to the cab of the semi, and shifting into 4th (though I'm already moving so fast I could just coast by). A second later and I'm past him, starting to get back over into my lane. There's no time to look at the tach since I'm watching for oncoming traffic and it all happens so fast. This ain't no little Honda anymore! It's completely unlike anything a NA S2000 can do.
So, the top end power is just awesome. Midrange is solid as long as you lower VTEC. That makes a huge difference. I've got mine at 4,500rpm right now and I'm moving it down to 3,000rpm with my next tune. Low end is noticeably better than stock (translation: the car never feels slow anymore) but isn't awesome. I'm hoping dropping VTEC lower will help that a bit.
The Novi 1200 makes a lot of noise, and the higher you spin it the more noise it makes. Mine is all gear lash and mechanical thrash; no cool whooshing noises or anything. It doesn't sound cool or sporty, just loud and mechanical. It makes the exhaust louder too, which compensates a bit. I rode in a KW AP2 once and those have more of the turbo whoosh sound which is pretty neat. The KW setup complements the F20/F22 very nicely and is a great kit for DD cars, but I knew I'd want more power so I went SOS and kept swapping pulleys until I had enough.
My other favorite thing to do is to merge onto a multi-lane highway from low speed, say 20mph when the other cars are doing 50-55. Let a bunch of them roll past you, then stomp it in 2nd and feel the car gather itself up and shove you back in the seat as it takes off. A few seconds later you're at the top of 2nd and about to shift when you realize that all of those cars (which were flying past you) are now moving back toward you because you're overtaking them. It's like somebody hit Rewind on a video of highway traffic! Really strange sensation, and very cool. This was my first WOT experience at this power level (on the way home from my last tune) and it blew me away.
Oh, and the SOS kit is completely reversible. No cutting or drilling, yada yada yada.
I can safely say at this point with my NV1000 at 15psi, I have much the same experience. Considering I made 375whp at 11psi, it wouldn’t surprise me to be netting about the same hp as you are with the 1200 listed in your sig. I like the idea of the 1200 blower, seems like the natural next progression, but hearing your feedback on its sound isn’t very inspiring. The NV1000 really has a nice smooth whistle that sounds bad ass I think, it definitely turns heads with thumbs up. Maybe I ought to just be happy with what I have, or skip to the 1500 [/quote]
I would have to disagree with TO I went with the BLV just so I could leave on the 3.0" pulley because I love the way the blower whistle it makes. I couldn't hear it with the 4.2" pulley.
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