Camber kit? HELP
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I'm sure the tech is telling you the truth, however he may not be familiar enough with the S to know what he can do about it, ive got a fair bit of experience dealing with alignment on this car over the years, i'm lowered about 2.5" on coilovers and have been through springs and different alignment combination's. One of the short comings of the S when camber adjustment is concerned is it is not isolated, toe adjustment also determines where the camber headroom is, toe and camber adjustment effects one another, so when you adjust one, the other one has to be re set, this is due to how the joints/adjustment cams are put together, and the geometry of the wheel path under compression. So if you get a good tech he will see this as he adjust, but you will have to be there with him to communicate whats most important to you as far as camber vs toe settings are concerned, the lower you go the more compromise you will make.
Unless your car was in an accident and there is something odd with some of your adjustments (which does happen) one side might have less then another and you can only adjust one side to match the other, then at your drop level you should be able to get closer to -2.25 camber. Did you get a spec sheet of your alignment? where is your toe at?
The toe goes negative, swept back towards the bumper as it compresses or lowered, so unless more positive toe is added you will lose some of your positive camber adjustment. Now 2.5 camber in the rear isn't bad, in fact its within the higher side of where you would want to be for compromising max cornering traction vs wear. However if this alignment tech didn't at least get your toe back in spec you will lose allot of cornering grip, the upside is your tires will last longer. I run about in the middle of stock spec toe and -3 camber in the rear.
The only company I have found to make some sort of camber kit is H&R -I think) but it only gets you another .3 of adjustment, its just a cam bolt with a taller profile. Better then nothing I guess if you feel necessary. Now i'm sure there is probably something else out there for dedicated track such as a whole new swing arm assembly but I cant say I know who and am sure it cost a pretty penny. Max track performance settings for this car are about -4 front and -3 rear though so factory works fine for that.
Unless your car was in an accident and there is something odd with some of your adjustments (which does happen) one side might have less then another and you can only adjust one side to match the other, then at your drop level you should be able to get closer to -2.25 camber. Did you get a spec sheet of your alignment? where is your toe at?
The toe goes negative, swept back towards the bumper as it compresses or lowered, so unless more positive toe is added you will lose some of your positive camber adjustment. Now 2.5 camber in the rear isn't bad, in fact its within the higher side of where you would want to be for compromising max cornering traction vs wear. However if this alignment tech didn't at least get your toe back in spec you will lose allot of cornering grip, the upside is your tires will last longer. I run about in the middle of stock spec toe and -3 camber in the rear.
The only company I have found to make some sort of camber kit is H&R -I think) but it only gets you another .3 of adjustment, its just a cam bolt with a taller profile. Better then nothing I guess if you feel necessary. Now i'm sure there is probably something else out there for dedicated track such as a whole new swing arm assembly but I cant say I know who and am sure it cost a pretty penny. Max track performance settings for this car are about -4 front and -3 rear though so factory works fine for that.
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Originally Posted by s2000Junky' date='Jan 19 2009, 08:51 PM
I'm sure the tech is telling you the truth, however he may not be familiar enough with the S to know what he can do about it, ive got a fair bit of experience dealing with alignment on this car over the years, i'm lowered about 2.5" on coilovers and have been through springs and different alignment combination's. One of the short comings of the S when camber adjustment is concerned is it is not isolated, toe adjustment also determines where the camber headroom is, toe and camber adjustment effects one another, so when you adjust one, the other one has to be re set, this is due to how the joints/adjustment cams are put together, and the geometry of the wheel path under compression. So if you get a good tech he will see this as he adjust, but you will have to be there with him to communicate whats most important to you as far as camber vs toe settings are concerned, the lower you go the more compromise you will make.
Unless your car was in an accident and there is something odd with some of your adjustments (which does happen) one side might have less then another and you can only adjust one side to match the other, then at your drop level you should be able to get closer to -2.25 camber. Did you get a spec sheet of your alignment? where is your toe at?
The toe goes negative, swept back towards the bumper as it compresses or lowered, so unless more positive toe is added you will lose some of your positive camber adjustment. Now 2.5 camber in the rear isn't bad, in fact its within the higher side of where you would want to be for compromising max cornering traction vs wear. However if this alignment tech didn't at least get your toe back in spec you will lose allot of cornering grip, the upside is your tires will last longer. I run about in the middle of stock spec toe and -3 camber in the rear.
The only company I have found to make some sort of camber kit is H&R -I think) but it only gets you another .3 of adjustment, its just a cam bolt with a taller profile. Better then nothing I guess if you feel necessary. Now i'm sure there is probably something else out there for dedicated track such as a whole new swing arm assembly but I cant say I know who and am sure it cost a pretty penny. Max track performance settings for this car are about -4 front and -3 rear though so factory works fine for that.
Unless your car was in an accident and there is something odd with some of your adjustments (which does happen) one side might have less then another and you can only adjust one side to match the other, then at your drop level you should be able to get closer to -2.25 camber. Did you get a spec sheet of your alignment? where is your toe at?
The toe goes negative, swept back towards the bumper as it compresses or lowered, so unless more positive toe is added you will lose some of your positive camber adjustment. Now 2.5 camber in the rear isn't bad, in fact its within the higher side of where you would want to be for compromising max cornering traction vs wear. However if this alignment tech didn't at least get your toe back in spec you will lose allot of cornering grip, the upside is your tires will last longer. I run about in the middle of stock spec toe and -3 camber in the rear.
The only company I have found to make some sort of camber kit is H&R -I think) but it only gets you another .3 of adjustment, its just a cam bolt with a taller profile. Better then nothing I guess if you feel necessary. Now i'm sure there is probably something else out there for dedicated track such as a whole new swing arm assembly but I cant say I know who and am sure it cost a pretty penny. Max track performance settings for this car are about -4 front and -3 rear though so factory works fine for that.
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Originally Posted by s2000Junky' date='Jan 20 2009, 09:55 PM
Ok I have my spec sheet in front of me, the factory rear toe sweep range is-
+0.16/ +0.32
Mine is currently at +0.26 so a bit towards the higher end. Yours is at -0.4 front and rear
Are you sure the rear is negative? Its ok for the front but thats the wrong direction for the rear and would see how you would have a problem getting any + camber out of it. Must feel pretty lose in the rear end around a turn also ...double check your spec sheet, if its actually +0.4 your also too far outside the proper toe range, but should be livable at least, compared to negative toe which would be terribly bad for the rear.
+0.16/ +0.32
Mine is currently at +0.26 so a bit towards the higher end. Yours is at -0.4 front and rear
Are you sure the rear is negative? Its ok for the front but thats the wrong direction for the rear and would see how you would have a problem getting any + camber out of it. Must feel pretty lose in the rear end around a turn also ...double check your spec sheet, if its actually +0.4 your also too far outside the proper toe range, but should be livable at least, compared to negative toe which would be terribly bad for the rear.
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