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Old Aug 7, 2009 | 12:46 PM
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the RL calipers are huge... way bigger than the tl-s brembos... im trying to fab up a bracket now with my RL calipers

not exactly a simple projects... and finding the rotors was a challenge within itself

hopefully i will have something working by spring






and for anyone who is interested in this swap and likes a little reading

Prelude
http://www.preludeonline.com/f60/acura-rl-...ton-bbk-239266/

Civic/RSX
http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2071969

http://www.clubcivic.com/board/showthread.php?t=123421

NSX
http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1136361

http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread....ghlight=caliper

Civic FG2
http://www.8thcivic.com/forums/suspension-...ers-08-fg2.html
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Old Aug 7, 2009 | 01:02 PM
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I still think the '06 Accord calipers in the link I provided above would yield more "bang for the buck." Custom fabrication of brackets seems like a pretty ominous task for the average Joe, which is why companies like fastbrakes make tons of money. They offer universal calipers with adaptor brackets and charge double their expense.

I'll admit I haven't bothered to look at the threads provided by Kevo but I'd also be concerned about the ability of the master cylinder if you went too big. I don't have expertise here, but its worth thinking about.

A direct bolt-on upgrade with the Accord bits makes much more sense and has been reviewed highly by the guy who came up with it. Caliper & hardware are only $116/ea. Add the cost of some good pads and you have what is purported to be an excellent upgrade for $300ish.

Food for thought.
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Old Aug 7, 2009 | 01:13 PM
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how much of an upgrade are you getting with the accord calipers... its the same style of caliper with a larger pad you would benefit more from brake pads, lines and fluid... which is im sure where the op of the accord thread saw most of his improvement... not worth it even for 100 imho...


so far i have less than $400 into what im doing and in making the brackets myself then i will have a 4 piston brembo style caliper
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Old Aug 7, 2009 | 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Mor.gan,Aug 7 2009, 01:13 AM
Why dont you make your own? All it takes is a little bit of intelligence...

This is the kit I came up with which uses Wilwood. It keeps the stock rotor btw.

2 x WIL-120-6805 - Brake Caliper, Dynalite, Aluminum, Black Anodized, 4-Piston
WIL-220-6860 - Brake Lines, Stainless Steel Braided, Flexline, Front
2 x WIL-250-6289 - Caliper Mounting Bracket, Replacement, Billet Aluminum
WIL-15B-3991K - Brake Pads, PolyMatrix B Compound, Semimetallic, Front/Rear, Universal, Set

These are all Summit Part Numbers and come out to : $503.06 before shipping and any tax.

So, with the $11.95 shipping and handling charge it would be $515.01 for a Wilwood 4-Piston BBK that uses STOCK calipers.
Any idea if this would fit behind AP1 16" 5 spokes? Also any idea if it uses stock sized pads?
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Old Aug 7, 2009 | 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by kevos2k,Aug 7 2009, 01:13 PM
how much of an upgrade are you getting with the accord calipers... its the same style of caliper with a larger pad you would benefit more from brake pads, lines and fluid... which is im sure where the op of the accord thread saw most of his improvement... not worth it even for 100 imho...


so far i have less than $400 into what im doing and in making the brackets myself then i will have a 4 piston brembo style caliper
I'm not knocking your setup. The problem is that most everyone doesn't have the means to fabricate their own brackets, which means additional cost. You said yourself that this is a difficult task and the rotors were difficult to source as well. Assuming everyone were able to get a set of 4 brackets for $200 then your setup would be $600 for all four corners? Not too shabby...

What can I say? I guess I'm just a fan of bolt-on performance that doesn't require a lot of fabrication or ramp-up time. I've done my fair share of custom work and find myself leaning towards the easiest solution these days. I'd rather be able to buy something new online then chase down used bits and pieces. I'm not even convinced that the brakes on our cars need upgrading, but I'm interested in seeing what everyone is trying.

I'd be interested in seeing a side by side comparison of your pads vs stock s2k pads.
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Old Aug 7, 2009 | 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by phoenix2.2,Aug 6 2009, 07:55 PM
I went onto summit and the part number for the mounting brakets is not found WIL-250-6289
You are correct. They no longer offer it but if you google the part number several websites do offer it for sale.
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Old Aug 7, 2009 | 11:34 PM
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Do I have these installed yet? No I sure don't but let me give you a run down.

The S2000 uses a 11.8 inch Rotor which is 1 Inch thick.

The WIL-120-6805 is the 4-Piston Dynalite Caliper for a 1 inch thick rotor. (PartsHelper's kit brings a .81 inch thick rotor and comes with WIL-120-6806.)

The WIL-220-6860 is the Acura RSX Brake Lines for the Caliper (Included in PartsHelper's Kit)

The WIL-250-6289 is the mounting bracket for the RSX Wilwood Kit (Included in PartsHelper's Kit) and, as previously stated in this thread, the S2000 and RSX have the same mount for the brakes.

And WIL-15B-3991K is the PolyMatrix B Compound brake pad which are my choice but you could go with the BP10 which come with PartsHelper's Kit.

The difference from PartsHelper's kit and the DIY kit is for $400 less you get the different Dynalite Caliper which will work for the stock rotor (not caliper as I said before).



So, to recap, all we did was replace the Dynalite Caliper so that it would fit the S2000's stock rotor. With the extra $400 you can get a decent set of Rotors from TireRack.

BTW, if you STILL don't believe me. I wasn't the first to do this.

https://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.ph...ic=464223&st=0
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Old Aug 7, 2009 | 11:44 PM
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Your breaks are only as good as your tires. For a street car stock breaks are perfect. For track car is another story.
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Old Aug 10, 2009 | 12:12 AM
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So would this also work with the Willwood 6 piston calipers listed in the other tread? Also I believe Willwood sells a their own 6 piston kit for the S2000, though i'm not sure about price.
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Old Aug 16, 2009 | 06:13 PM
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