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Old Jul 13, 2012 | 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by profit_child
with all the research i have been doing suggest i should be just around 260whp.. plenty of guys with 76tar matching test pipe and js racing header and CAI and tune are making 240 ap1 245 ap2. password jdm air chamber makes about 3-5 more whp then CAI.. and ITBs should be a solid 10-20hp gain tuned properly
You can't assume the gains will "stack" that way. The gains from each part will be in different amounts in different RPM ranges. I also think your numbers must be coming from a very high-reading DynaPack (Sean Church?).
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Old Jul 13, 2012 | 07:24 AM
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RSP real street perfomance DYNOJET but i definitely taking in consideration of what yours saying and everyone else... i still may stack parts that combine well all motor to eventually go the supercharger route later on (tax return) ive been such a big all motor fan from my civic days to my current K20A EG (sorry for any grammatical mistakes on my ipad)
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Old Jul 13, 2012 | 07:36 AM
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OEM.

I'm SC'd as well and profit_child, I have no concerns or issues whatsoever with being SC'd and that's the general sentiment with us FI'd guys. Turbo will require a little more effort, but can be reliable as well.
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Old Jul 13, 2012 | 10:17 AM
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You're talking about spending 4500 on itbs and ems. Factor in the tuning expect probably a good 5+ hours to get those dialed in...might be 5k.

You can get a fully built inlinepro f24 (k24 crank) shortblock for a little less or it could be a good amount less if you convert your stock core. You'll be making more torque for sure and should be more driveable than with itbs. 7k will get you a fully built crate f24 that'll be makin 260/190 to the wheels out of the box...add some bc2 or 3 cams and tuning to that and it might be higher

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Old Jul 13, 2012 | 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by jh4db536
You're talking about spending 4500 on itbs and ems. Factor in the tuning expect probably a good 5+ hours to get those dialed in...might be 5k.

You can get a fully built inlinepro f24 (k24 crank) shortblock for a little less or it could be a good amount less if you convert your stock core. You'll be making more torque for sure and should be more driveable than with itbs. 7k will get you a fully built crate f24 that'll be makin 260/190 to the wheels out of the box...add some bc2 or 3 cams and tuning to that and it might be higher

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...and THEN put ITBS
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Old Jul 13, 2012 | 10:45 AM
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Lol at monster with just exhaust and a tune. At best your looking at being a little faster than a stock s. Honestly the biggest gain from the header or exhaust is the weight you save. The stock exhaust system weighs a ton. You can easily cut 50 lbs or more by going aftermarket. I have a PLM header beacuse I got a really good deal on it but I am not tuned (05 so not many cost effective options).
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Old Jul 13, 2012 | 12:17 PM
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A little known header, but i found R&D pictures on the internet is the 'Tracysports TS-01' which i had jet hot coated, it made nice gains midrange and up top but lost a little low down - its more of a midrange/high up header.

Honda have gone with an 'overall 4-2-1' header and its very good i do agree from my dyno and tuning sessions. I think there's slightly more scavenging on one of the cylinders.
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Old Sep 20, 2013 | 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by jh4db536
Honestly after I read the endyn build thread, and that the stock header can support near 300hp with itbs, increased displacement, fully built head, raised redline, and pretty much infinite budget tuning at the individual cylinder level...that says a lot about the stock header.

With my own personal experience with header (tuned) on this car, the only problem with the stock header is it's on the heavy side and doesn't look as nice.

Unless you are supercharging or turbo there is no reason to change the stock header for NA power. For the cost of a J's or some other jdm piece $1500ish, you might as well get a EMS and a dyno tune. You'll get way more power for the dollar even if you're boosted.

Spend the money on a good headerback exhaust or to actually building the head ie cams, valvesprings, porting/matching, raising compression, and tuning. If I ever went into the bottom end, id be dropping a f24c crank in or something.

The hytech exhaust looks like it should be in a display case. I seen one in person when I tuned at church automotive...it's a piece of art.

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I went to irvine to visit John ,I forget his last name, at Hytech. The dude is awesome! And professionally raced for some formula racing so that's why he builds exhaust systems be/c he finds that's one of the most important things on a sports car! Also, I'd like to make a note, the header is AWESOME! Wayyyy bad ass craftsmanship!!! And surprisingly, it's smaller than the oem! How does J's claim the larger tubing is good; and John says the smaller tubing is great? These headers are way different sizes. Seriously. Also, johns idea is this: the S2000's f20c likes "small". People putting huge ass itb's will not yield power, in fact, you'll retain or lose power. Please don't forget you have to spend the $175 for the short test pipe. I myself was Sooooo close to buying the header/test pipe combo, woulda been $1675 OTD, I put a deposit of $100.00 and some reason, I changed my mind. John still has my deposit as of maybe 2 years ago? I speak with Greg of GT MOTORING all the time and a few times we've had a conversation about the Hytech header. Would I buy one, perhaps yes (now that my car is paid off!! Whoop whoop). I have even spoken to Shawn Church as well, many times, email and phone, and he could only recommend that header if you got the Hytech combination package. Otherwise, I felt he'd prefer not to say his opinion. He said it shows gains, of course like the camshafts, not much, but it's a package deal anyway and I feel that's what John intended. I hope this helps!

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Old Sep 20, 2013 | 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by s2konroids
A little known header, but i found R&D pictures on the internet is the 'Tracysports TS-01' which i had jet hot coated, it made nice gains midrange and up top but lost a little low down - its more of a midrange/high up header.

Honda have gone with an 'overall 4-2-1' header and its very good i do agree from my dyno and tuning sessions. I think there's slightly more scavenging on one of the cylinders.

I'd also like to make a statement on this Tracy Sports Header. I believe I inquired about the ts-02 header. I spoke with Jonny Grunwald at Bulletproof Automotive some time. The header was $1400 at the time, but I told him if he could get it down to 1200 I was willing to make the drive and pick it up. He said sure, but he'd still have to apply the tax, about $120 extra. I told him no deal, I'd like 1200 OTD. My reason why i didn't get it.. :/
Now for my big reason why I had sooo much interest in it:
The header is beautiful! It's light, and the power is supposively better than a lot of the high end jdm headers. It outperformed mugen, spoon, I believe J's in certain parts, and oem as well. It is claimed to have very usuable power for the racer in mind. The welds inside the tubing where the bracket mounts to the engine make it sealed and leak proof. They are also tapered. Again, why didn't I buy it? B/c I couldn't get it for 1200 OTD.
And 1200 is 4 car payments and hella maintenance, so yeah... The Hytech is more proven as well, but lets be real, 1700 and still owe car payments.. This is the only reason why I didn't make these purchases.
Pm if you have questions.

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Old Nov 6, 2013 | 02:15 PM
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Since when was Mugen carb legal? are you sure? if so ill buy one LOL!
Originally Posted by jh4db536
From what I've gathered,

The j's racing header is the only one that appears to consistently work and make the most with tuning and supporting mods.

The plm and berk are replicas of j's racing. I personally have a berk myself, but I bought it mainly for the weight savings and extra bungs.

Add toda header on your list. There's also comptech header, mugen which are carb legal unlike the rest.

The stock header is very good so you are better off getting intake exhaust hfc/tp and a tuning solution before a header.

According to the endyn build, the stock header might be better than hytech. This is with tuning and major engine modification (were talking about almost 300hp NA)


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