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Old Jul 11, 2012 | 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by calebzimm
You have an awesome product idea and a great market for it but I feel like you are making it so broad that it's going to cost you ludicrous amounts of time and money. If you had your own exhaust patented with this midpipe I think you'd save on costs in the long run and have an extremely marketable product.
I did apply for a patent on this last year, but it isn't S2000 specific. I wouldn't consider patenting anything related to the back section.
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Old Jul 11, 2012 | 10:09 AM
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You may have a hard time selling a mid-pipe (as awesome as it may be) for $1k. Are people still spending that kind of dough on s2k's? I'd rock it if I had the cash to spare. Are you looking at other premium aftermarket targets like Porsche, Ferrari, etc?

Or, license the patent to the highest bidder. If it's as good as you say it is Walker, Borla, HKS, Greddy, OEM manufacturers, etc. will be interested. If the design can improve power delivery through tuned exhaust, it can also improve efficiency. Look at the money Mazda spent with Skyactive in the name of efficiency. After about a million years of use in aftermarket, an OE finally installed a tuned exhaust header on an economy car (in addition to all the other improvements, of course). Your tuned midpipe patent could be the next evolution. Go get'em tiger!
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Old Jul 11, 2012 | 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Gernby
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You have an awesome product idea and a great market for it but I feel like you are making it so broad that it's going to cost you ludicrous amounts of time and money. If you had your own exhaust patented with this midpipe I think you'd save on costs in the long run and have an extremely marketable product.
I did apply for a patent on this last year, but it isn't S2000 specific. I wouldn't consider patenting anything related to the back section.
I meant a patent for the midpipe not a back portion, sorry I wasn't clearer on that. Reading your explanation above I understand you wanting to stick with the midpipe only.
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Old Jul 11, 2012 | 02:28 PM
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I would only be interested in a bolt on solution for the mid-pipe. I am not willing to pay to have it welded in. With the Berk single you have it pretty easy with a standard connection to the OEM/Aftermarket header and a 3" V-Band clamp already used by Berk. The long prototype you have in the picture above looks like it would already bolt onto the Berk exhaust if it were a tad shorter.
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Old Jul 11, 2012 | 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by s2000ellier
I would only be interested in a bolt on solution for the mid-pipe. I am not willing to pay to have it welded in. With the Berk single you have it pretty easy with a standard connection to the OEM/Aftermarket header and a 3" V-Band clamp already used by Berk. The long prototype you have in the picture above looks like it would already bolt onto the Berk exhaust if it were a tad shorter.
I understand that many people will want a bolt-on solution. Unfortunately, many of those people will just have to live with poor performance and excessive drone.

Also, a bolt-on solution will be considerably more expensive, since I will be making each specific adapter in smaller quanities, and will have significant development cost for each one..
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Old Jul 12, 2012 | 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Gernby
Actually, my mid-pipe would be a great upgrade to the Berk. The Berk would keep the same tone that everyone raves about, but it would have way, way less drone, and better mid-range torque. Peak power would be unchanged.

BTW, I completed my paperwork for the sponsorship yesterday...
In general, would this increase/decrease the volume under load/@WOT?
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Old Jul 12, 2012 | 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by afzan
In general, would this increase/decrease the volume under load/@WOT?
All exhaust systems have certain frequencies (RPMs) where they will resonate, making the exhaust noise much, much louder. For the S2000, the exhaust systems available tend to resonate at about 3500-4000 RPMs. Regardless of what the load is, the exhaust sound will be louder while in that RPM range. That is "drone".

My mid-pipe alters the resonant frequency of the pipe so that it does NOT drone in that RPM range. The result is that the volume of the exhaust note winds up following the torque level. Basically, if you are at part throttle (low torque), then the volume will be low. If you are at full throttle (high torque) the volume will be louder. Since our engines produce more torque at higher RPMs, it also makes more exhaust noise at higher RPMs.

I need to post some pictures of the "drone-o-meter" application I used to analyze drone. I used a surround-sound digital recorder attached to the passenger seat head rest to record exhaust sound throughout the RPM range at WOT and PT (electronically controlled via DBW), then processed the recordings to determine sound level and dominant frequency, then plotted it across the RPM range.
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Old Jul 12, 2012 | 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Gernby
I am going to drop off the first "production unit" at the welding shop this morning, so I can get it completed. They will give me a better estimate on the cost for doing 10-20 units, and I will do 1 last test on my car using the finished unit. Assuming that goes well, I will be putting the group buy together this weekend or early next week.

I almost forgot ... since it seems that the Invidia Q300 is such a common exhaust, I decided to buy one. When it gets here, I will build a "plug and play" adapter to bolt my mid-pipe directly to the Q300 mufflers (no cutting). I plan to do the same for the T1R Sparrow, and would consider others.
I have a Q300 V4 Dual.
I would be interested in one of your mid-pipes as well if it were fairly easy to modify in.

As far as noise levels how does it compare to Stock cat, Berk HFC, and test pipe?
When I first put my Q300 on my car I had a Berk HFC installed as well and it was a bit too loud/raspy for my taste so I have since gone back to the stock Cat (quiter but more drone)
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Old Jul 12, 2012 | 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by sloth4urluv
I have a Q300 V4 Dual.
I would be interested in one of your mid-pipes as well if it were fairly easy to modify in.

As far as noise levels how does it compare to Stock cat, Berk HFC, and test pipe?
When I first put my Q300 on my car I had a Berk HFC installed as well and it was a bit too loud/raspy for my taste so I have since gone back to the stock Cat (quiter but more drone)
I really can't say how my mid-pipe would compare to various combinations of test pipes, HFC's, or OEM cat with various other mid-pipes. Some exhausts drone more with the OEM cat while others drone less. It just depends on how their mid-pipes were designed. Mismatches in pipe diameter also play a role. However, since I will be installing a Q300 this weekend, I'll soon find out how it sounds. I will make a "bolt-on" adapter for the Q300 V4 dual, so it will be a super easy install.
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Old Jul 12, 2012 | 04:43 PM
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Interesting, pricey at around $1k though! Would this piece lead to a performance gain on the oem exhaust system? How will it sound with the OEM Mufflers?
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