2014 S2k Challenge rules discussion
+1 from me. Would like to see CR shocks worth .75 or 1. They're definitely undervalued if the cap is lowered and wings are not allowed. And if anyone doubts this look at laptimes done on CR shocks relative to OEM, or better yet drive a CR.
Is there any reason why the table needs to max out at 10" as well? Versus allowing wider wheels at higher point totals? Perhaps instead of the greyed out combos and expanding it, just a generic "any combination not in this table is 1.00 point"?
Fewer points. at 1.25, I think it'll decrease your laptimes more than a coilover at 1.5 points.
I know that without the coilovers you won't be using the r-comps as efficiently, but I still think that given the choice of 4
-coils
-r-comp
-non-stag
-wing
the best combo of 3 is r-comp over coils.
Originally Posted by psychoazn' timestamp='1385051667' post='22887978
So, what is everyone's thoughts on the following:
GTC200/Voltex 1s: 1.75 points (up from 1.5)
All coilovers: 1.5 points (changes to OTS shock/spring, 1 way adjustable coilovers)
Street class : 3.5 points total
Wheels table re-done to reflect finer resolution.
GTC200/Voltex 1s: 1.75 points (up from 1.5)
All coilovers: 1.5 points (changes to OTS shock/spring, 1 way adjustable coilovers)
Street class : 3.5 points total
Wheels table re-done to reflect finer resolution.
that's essentially a 0.75 point difference or 1.00 point difference for current people using the Street Class Spec setup of
-non-stag with 255 - 1.25
-wing - 1.50
-coilovers (SA - HKS HM-III) - 1.00
=3.75
Under the new rules, things change to
-non-stag with 255 - 1.25
-wing - 1.75
-coilovers (SA - HKS HM-III) - 1.50
=4.50
With 3.5 point cut, that's 1.00 over the Street cap. That essentially forces a choice between to ditch one of those. The way I see it, the biggest laptime reducers are the following 4 mods:
-r-comp
-non-stag (or some increase in tire sizes/wheels)
-wing
-coilovers
This forces a choice to pick only 2.
A number of Street guys would get bumped up to Mod based on their current setups. If that happened, I'd actually have a shot at podium in Street, not that that matters much to me. I was out gunned based on setup (2.75 points - current rules) and more importantly, out classed as a driver.
Essentially, this makes Street more accessible for new comers and to people moving from stock into street. This does make the jump into Mod quite the leap. If you have an optimized street setup, the $$$ to go into mod is quite a bit more.
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Under the new rules, things change to
-non-stag with 255 - 1.25
-wing - 1.75
-coilovers (SA - HKS HM-III) - 1.50
=4.50
With 3.5 point cut, that's 1.00 over the Street cap. That essentially forces a choice between to ditch one of those. ...
This forces a choice to pick only 2.
Under the new rules, things change to
-non-stag with 255 - 1.25
-wing - 1.75
-coilovers (SA - HKS HM-III) - 1.50
=4.50
With 3.5 point cut, that's 1.00 over the Street cap. That essentially forces a choice between to ditch one of those. ...
This forces a choice to pick only 2.
A number of Street guys would get bumped up to Mod based on their current setups. If that happened, I'd actually have a shot at podium in Street, not that that matters much to me. I was out gunned based on setup (2.75 points - current rules) and more importantly, out classed as a driver.
Essentially, this makes Street more accessible for new comers and to people moving from stock into street.
Essentially, this makes Street more accessible for new comers and to people moving from stock into street.
This does make the jump into Mod quite the leap. If you have an optimized street setup, the $$$ to go into mod is quite a bit more.
I would think the bigger worry would be anyone getting bumped from Mod to Super Mod, as that gap is a massive potential money pit. Has there been thinking about that?
Is it crazy to just put a limit on a what a given class could run? I think this would separate the classes easiest.
Example
Street class oem aero only, up to 9" wheels square, must run cat or high flow cat, coilovers up to X dollars and street tires only. Sounds like a "street" car to me. Radio must function too...jk
Mod class up to gtc 200 type wing, any front aero, any coilover, street tires only, TP allowed, up to 10" wheel, ram or cold air ok
SupaMod anything goes except maybe restrict the force fed guys to a certain tire to level that playing field.
These don't have to be the set limits or anything, but does seem the easiest way to separate the classes. I mean if you want to run a specific wing or tire, then whatever class that plops you in is where you go.
I'm sure this has been proposed before and failed miserably, but I'll throw it out there anyways
-WWDLD-
Example
Street class oem aero only, up to 9" wheels square, must run cat or high flow cat, coilovers up to X dollars and street tires only. Sounds like a "street" car to me. Radio must function too...jk
Mod class up to gtc 200 type wing, any front aero, any coilover, street tires only, TP allowed, up to 10" wheel, ram or cold air ok
SupaMod anything goes except maybe restrict the force fed guys to a certain tire to level that playing field.
These don't have to be the set limits or anything, but does seem the easiest way to separate the classes. I mean if you want to run a specific wing or tire, then whatever class that plops you in is where you go.
I'm sure this has been proposed before and failed miserably, but I'll throw it out there anyways
-WWDLD-
The wing was at 1.25 before (not 1.5). And are you saying make spring/ shock (not coilover, just after market springs and shocks) 1.5 also?










