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Old Nov 21, 2013 | 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by psychoazn
So, what is everyone's thoughts on the following:

GTC200/Voltex 1s: 1.75 points (up from 1.5)
All coilovers: 1.5 points (changes to OTS shock/spring, 1 way adjustable coilovers)
Street class : 3.5 points total

Wheels table re-done to reflect finer resolution.
+1 from me. Would like to see CR shocks worth .75 or 1. They're definitely undervalued if the cap is lowered and wings are not allowed. And if anyone doubts this look at laptimes done on CR shocks relative to OEM, or better yet drive a CR.
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Old Nov 21, 2013 | 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by psychoazn
Wheels table re-done to reflect finer resolution.
Is there any reason why the table needs to max out at 10" as well? Versus allowing wider wheels at higher point totals? Perhaps instead of the greyed out combos and expanding it, just a generic "any combination not in this table is 1.00 point"?
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Old Nov 21, 2013 | 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by ddess
^^^^ on the cheap I'd say camber joints, test pipe and wheels and tires.

Big money: coils, wing, non stag.
Big money: r-comp NT-01, wing, non stag.

Fewer points. at 1.25, I think it'll decrease your laptimes more than a coilover at 1.5 points.

I know that without the coilovers you won't be using the r-comps as efficiently, but I still think that given the choice of 4
-coils
-r-comp
-non-stag
-wing
the best combo of 3 is r-comp over coils.
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Old Nov 21, 2013 | 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Sebring AP1
Originally Posted by psychoazn' timestamp='1385051667' post='22887978
So, what is everyone's thoughts on the following:

GTC200/Voltex 1s: 1.75 points (up from 1.5)
All coilovers: 1.5 points (changes to OTS shock/spring, 1 way adjustable coilovers)
Street class : 3.5 points total

Wheels table re-done to reflect finer resolution.
+1 from me. Would like to see CR shocks worth .75 or 1. They're definitely undervalued if the cap is lowered and wings are not allowed. And if anyone doubts this look at laptimes done on CR shocks relative to OEM, or better yet drive a CR.
I think the wing is still being allowed, but it's a much more careful consideration now with a lower total point cap of 3.5, wing at 1.75, and coilovers at 1.50.

that's essentially a 0.75 point difference or 1.00 point difference for current people using the Street Class Spec setup of
-non-stag with 255 - 1.25
-wing - 1.50
-coilovers (SA - HKS HM-III) - 1.00
=3.75

Under the new rules, things change to
-non-stag with 255 - 1.25
-wing - 1.75
-coilovers (SA - HKS HM-III) - 1.50
=4.50

With 3.5 point cut, that's 1.00 over the Street cap. That essentially forces a choice between to ditch one of those. The way I see it, the biggest laptime reducers are the following 4 mods:
-r-comp
-non-stag (or some increase in tire sizes/wheels)
-wing
-coilovers
This forces a choice to pick only 2.

A number of Street guys would get bumped up to Mod based on their current setups. If that happened, I'd actually have a shot at podium in Street, not that that matters much to me. I was out gunned based on setup (2.75 points - current rules) and more importantly, out classed as a driver.

Essentially, this makes Street more accessible for new comers and to people moving from stock into street. This does make the jump into Mod quite the leap. If you have an optimized street setup, the $$$ to go into mod is quite a bit more.
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Old Nov 21, 2013 | 12:35 PM
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how many points is it to run 8.5in ap2 rears all the way around? I remember them running that setup in 2009. I think nam had a wing and rcomps (though not square I think) and gtc 200.
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Old Nov 21, 2013 | 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by albertg
how many points is it to run 8.5in ap2 rears all the way around? I remember them running that setup in 2009. I think nam had a wing and rcomps (though not square I think) and gtc 200.

I think it was free back then?
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Old Nov 21, 2013 | 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by albertg
how many points is it to run 8.5in ap2 rears all the way around? I remember them running that setup in 2009. I think nam had a wing and rcomps (though not square I think) and gtc 200.
0.5

How do I know? Because I run 8.5" square...
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Old Nov 21, 2013 | 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Bullwings
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Under the new rules, things change to
-non-stag with 255 - 1.25
-wing - 1.75
-coilovers (SA - HKS HM-III) - 1.50
=4.50

With 3.5 point cut, that's 1.00 over the Street cap. That essentially forces a choice between to ditch one of those. ...
This forces a choice to pick only 2.
That was the idea though, correct? (only picking 2)

A number of Street guys would get bumped up to Mod based on their current setups. If that happened, I'd actually have a shot at podium in Street, not that that matters much to me. I was out gunned based on setup (2.75 points - current rules) and more importantly, out classed as a driver.

Essentially, this makes Street more accessible for new comers and to people moving from stock into street.


This does make the jump into Mod quite the leap. If you have an optimized street setup, the $$$ to go into mod is quite a bit more.
Why does it become such a big leap? With the setup you posted (of now 4.5 points), basically just add NT01/RC1 and you've used up most of your points. I think it's actually cheaper to compete on rcomps than on RS3 (since the speed dropoff is less). Use up the remainder of your mods on cheaper things like a test pipe, etc.



I would think the bigger worry would be anyone getting bumped from Mod to Super Mod, as that gap is a massive potential money pit. Has there been thinking about that?
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Old Nov 21, 2013 | 01:28 PM
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Is it crazy to just put a limit on a what a given class could run? I think this would separate the classes easiest.

Example
Street class oem aero only, up to 9" wheels square, must run cat or high flow cat, coilovers up to X dollars and street tires only. Sounds like a "street" car to me. Radio must function too...jk

Mod class up to gtc 200 type wing, any front aero, any coilover, street tires only, TP allowed, up to 10" wheel, ram or cold air ok

SupaMod anything goes except maybe restrict the force fed guys to a certain tire to level that playing field.

These don't have to be the set limits or anything, but does seem the easiest way to separate the classes. I mean if you want to run a specific wing or tire, then whatever class that plops you in is where you go.

I'm sure this has been proposed before and failed miserably, but I'll throw it out there anyways

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Old Nov 21, 2013 | 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by psychoazn
So, what is everyone's thoughts on the following:

GTC200/Voltex 1s: 1.75 points (up from 1.5)
All coilovers: 1.5 points (changes to OTS shock/spring, 1 way adjustable coilovers)
Street class : 3.5 points total

Wheels table re-done to reflect finer resolution.
The wing was at 1.25 before (not 1.5). And are you saying make spring/ shock (not coilover, just after market springs and shocks) 1.5 also?
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