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Old Jan 6, 2015 | 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by davidc1
We have heard you yamahaSHO. Many times. We know you are very unhappy. You and the people that have problems know what to do. You have beat the drum till the head on it has torn. Throughout the two previous threads on this pan, you have made 52 negative comments and 7 positive comments. We understand how you feel. Time to either put up or shut up. Meaning contact canton about your own pan get it fixed get a refund whatever.

There is a reason why you've heard me. Getting things "fixed" is fine and dandy, but there is a high rate of flawed build quality with this pan. THAT is what you cannot seem to comprehend. To argue that it is a custom aftermarket part was bullshit.

I haven't decided what I am going to do with my pan yet. When it starts warming up, I'll start thinking about it more.

Originally Posted by davidc1
We have heard you yamahaSHO. Many times. We know you are very unhappy. You and the people that have problems know what to do. You have beat the drum till the head on it has torn. Throughout the two previous threads on this pan, you have made 52 negative comments and 7 positive comments. We understand how you feel. Time to either put up or shut up. Meaning contact canton about your own pan get it fixed get a refund whatever.

And? It probably doesn't top the number of threads you've commented on this damn pan when it wasn't even part of the subject at hand (however, I'm not going to go through your profile to search for them...). It's not a surprise that you haven't figured this out, even after you've been told that you're only going to make it worse, but the more you post back trying to overlook the build quality, the more I'm going to hit that subject. Keep fueling the fire, d00d. You see, it's working so well.


Originally Posted by davidc1
Originally Posted by markhs2' timestamp='1420565136' post='23458175
Excellent, thank you to both Jeff and David.
What merits,repeating here is:

1. If and when you have an issue with anyone's product first contact the company. If the issue is resolved amicably there is no need to post anything. Unless of course you want to post about great customer service on addressing your issue or if the problem persists unresolved.
2. All successful companies have product problems and returns. The important thing is their customer service and resolution of the problem.
A number of post have said or implied that OEM products are of a higher standard. Obviously those people are somehow oblivious to the astronomical amount of recalls in the automotive indusry. Including Honda and the S2K.
3. The company cannot address an issue if you don't make them aware of it.
4. Product recalls and/or defects are not resolved by winning on social forums before contacting the company.
5. Got an issue? Suck up your disappointment before getting your panties in a knot and embarassing your self by winning like a little girl. Call the company and get things resolved.
Thanks
mark, thank you so much for being an intelligent rational person. This is exactly what I was trying to get across.

1. But davidc1 loves to talk about the pan so much. Plus, I'd rather people who are considering this pan further take a look into what I am pointing out and have a better grasp on what they should be looking for.

2. Without question, but if you do not consider the quality or high rate of poor product (just looking at this pan alone). In addition, it seems like they have an old school thought on how to do things. Instead of accepting that they consistently make flanges that are not flat, they really should be looking at alternative ways to build the pans. I was certainly expecting better here. YOU should expect better too!

3. Winning... Losing? I digress... Public information goes a long way no matter how you look at it. I finally got tired of seeing so many issues on this pan.

4. Look at 99SH's picture again... THAT is embarrassment. I believe the word you're looking for is "whining".

Originally Posted by davidc1
Originally Posted by SC_Highlander' timestamp='1420570299' post='23458304
[quote name='SlowTeg' timestamp='1420561132' post='23458049']
FWIW, the person w/ the broken weld.. While it doesn't give you the warm and fuzzies, it shouldn't result in disaster, as the "plate" is held in place in a few different spots. It's not like it's the only spot where the plate is held on, fortunately.
I disagree. That broken weld will lead to more broken welds if the plate is allowed to move due to vibration.
There's quite a few other bolts botleing it down
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That are all supported by more welds by the same welder... Over the years of building and breaking cars, I've found that one issue in place, has an influence on part[s] integrity down the line. This is important as this means there is potential failure elsewhere down the line. I come from a background where things like this overlooked could cost people their lives down the line, so you not only have to do it well, but you have to think about that whole, "cause and effect" thing. This could eventually cost you and engine in the long term. The broken weld was only on a season, if that. How is it going to hold up several seasons later? Oil pans aren't something I'd like to pull for inspection every year.
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Old Jan 6, 2015 | 10:59 AM
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YamahaSH0.... Why don't you just ask for a refund?
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Old Jan 6, 2015 | 10:59 AM
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Thanks for pointing out my spelling error.
I corrected it.
Sadley, that is one of the few objective, factual observations devoid of opinion, assumtions and innuendo I've seen here.
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Old Jan 6, 2015 | 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by davidc1
YamahaSH0.... Why don't you just ask for a refund?
Attention to detail goes a long way. Just like there is no zero in my screen name.

Originally Posted by yamahaSHO'
I haven't decided what I am going to do with my pan yet. When it starts warming up, I'll start thinking about it more.

[quote name='markhs2;23458401]Thanks for pointing out my spelling error.
I corrected it.
Sadley, that is one of the few objective, factual observations devoid of opinion, assumtions and innuendo I've seen here.[/QUOTE]

Then you're not paying attention. I figured more 'racers' would understand the severity here.
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Old Jan 6, 2015 | 11:38 AM
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regarding the flatness of the pan. i think most people are just easily confused or not paying enough attention. my pan seemed not flat when i was test fitting it but it was fine when i got it bolted up.

also regarding the holes being off, again some of the bolts didnt look like they were lining up when i was test fitting it but once i started to hand screw in the bolts everything went in fine.
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Old Jan 6, 2015 | 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by yamahaSHO
That are all supported by more welds by the same welder... Over the years of building and breaking cars, I've found that one issue in place, has an influence on part[s] integrity down the line. This is important as this means there is potential failure elsewhere down the line. I come from a background where things like this overlooked could cost people their lives down the line, so you not only have to do it well, but you have to think about that whole, "cause and effect" thing. This could eventually cost you and engine in the long term. The broken weld was only on a season, if that. How is it going to hold up several seasons later? Oil pans aren't something I'd like to pull for inspection every year.
Agreed and good point. I agree w/ the previous poster as well that over the time the vibrations and moving of the plate could result in other welds breaking, but fortunately there'd probably have to be a lot of crappy welds to have a catastrophic failure. A small silver lining if there is any..
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Old Jan 6, 2015 | 06:14 PM
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Any normal racer would just fix the damn problem him/herself and move on with life.
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Old Jan 6, 2015 | 06:17 PM
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Warranty disclaimer:
https://www.cantonra...e/warranty.html

Here is the link for people that don't like their pan:
https://www.s2ki.com/...s-and-for-sale/

Here is the link if you have a problem with the pan:
https://www.cantonra...contact_us.html

For everyone else:
https://www.youtube....h?v=WL1lfSzgcAw
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Old Jan 6, 2015 | 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by nissanfanatic
Any normal racer would just fix the damn problem him/herself and move on with life.
Hopefully before the problem found is an oil starved motor. That one might sting a little. There's no doubt here; there's a lot of room for improvement in their quality. After looking at my pan a little bit tonight, I bet we see more breaks where Mike's broke.



Based on the links posted, Mike is actually out of warranty.
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Old Jan 6, 2015 | 07:25 PM
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For what it is worth, I was pretty satisfied with the pan. If you want to see a piece of crap, you should see the homemade job I'm using on my MGA.

I wasn't satisfied with the flywheel cover since it didn't fit the AP2. But I just made my own part. I'm not satisfied with that either, so in time I will make another. And keep in mind, I'm just a guy driving around a track - a pretend racer - and certainly not a mechanic or metal guy.

At the end of the season, I found that my pan was leaking a bit. In my rush to install, I probably did not let the sealant set properly. So I just retightened the bolts and will check again in the spring. If necessary, I will pull the pan, reseal and reinstall. No big deal.

I guess I'm just not judgmental enough to complain. I mean we were dealing with a prototype of sorts when we bought these pans. And we were doing that, not only for ourselves, but also to get this type of device to the market.

In all honesty, I probably don't drive my car hard enough to actually need the pan. But what the hay. I was just trying to do my part for the sport.

My friend just bought the pan. He actually races and is competitive. As far as I'm concerned, he made a wise decision. But I had nothing to do with it.

So as far as I'm concerned, David did us all a service. If the pan saves just one motor, it may be yours or mine. If the pan doesn't save your motor, so what. You're out $500. Maybe two weeks pay out of a lifetime? The original pan wasn't going to save your motor either.
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