Cobalt XR2
Originally Posted by rob.ok,Jan 25 2010, 05:48 PM
The problem you guys are asking about will only happen if your running at race speeds in the rain. For one reason or another when you combine water & high temps (to the point where the water evaporates off the wheel) the compound will bind to the finish. It can be removed but takes elbow geese.
BTW this is not a singular problem....Carbotech's products do the exact same thing as well as a few other manufactures. The rear wheel on the S2000 gets it the worst cause the solid disk transfers much more heat to the wheel which effectively bakes it on. If you know its going to rain....just wipe the wheels down with oil, WD-40, or wax and you won't have a problem.
Never street drive with these pads. All your doing is throwing your money away. I got 7 days out of a set of XR1s / XR3 ands still had more than 70% life on them. If your street driving.......your doing it wrong
If XR2 is only lasting a few days jump up to XR1 (asl ong as your on race tires that is).
-Rob
BTW this is not a singular problem....Carbotech's products do the exact same thing as well as a few other manufactures. The rear wheel on the S2000 gets it the worst cause the solid disk transfers much more heat to the wheel which effectively bakes it on. If you know its going to rain....just wipe the wheels down with oil, WD-40, or wax and you won't have a problem.
Never street drive with these pads. All your doing is throwing your money away. I got 7 days out of a set of XR1s / XR3 ands still had more than 70% life on them. If your street driving.......your doing it wrong

If XR2 is only lasting a few days jump up to XR1 (asl ong as your on race tires that is).
-Rob
I haven't had any problems with my pads when handling them this way
And, as stated before, these pads aren't meant for use on daily driven vehicles
After reading comments about the Cobalt XR3 in this thread, I purhcased a set for a mix of autocross and track. I've used them several times for autocross, and had decent results, but was disappointed that they didn't seem to work well cold. It would take a few hard braking zones for them to come alive for the first run, then if they had much cool down time before the next run, they would have to heat up again. I figured this would be okay as long as they worked better on a real track.
I went to my first track day on Saturday at Eagles Canyon Raceway, which is notoriously VERY hard on brakes. I knew this track would be hard on them, but figured they would do okay. I was wrong. They sucked balls. After just a few laps, I was having to push VERY hard on the brake pedal, and was not even able to make the tires squeal or engage ABS. My braking zones got bigger and bigger throughout the day. I wasn't able to even finish my 3rd run session since the pads started depositing large amounts of material on my rotors. I had to spend an hour driving up and down the highway (1 mile cruise followed by hard braking, repeat, repeat, etc.) trying to clean the rotors up again. The brakes finally started working well enough to do a 4th session, but I had to REALLY baby them.
Basically, they are going in the garbage. The other S2000 that was turning times close to mine was running Carbotec XP8's, IIRC, and had no issues at all, so I think I'll give those a try next.
I went to my first track day on Saturday at Eagles Canyon Raceway, which is notoriously VERY hard on brakes. I knew this track would be hard on them, but figured they would do okay. I was wrong. They sucked balls. After just a few laps, I was having to push VERY hard on the brake pedal, and was not even able to make the tires squeal or engage ABS. My braking zones got bigger and bigger throughout the day. I wasn't able to even finish my 3rd run session since the pads started depositing large amounts of material on my rotors. I had to spend an hour driving up and down the highway (1 mile cruise followed by hard braking, repeat, repeat, etc.) trying to clean the rotors up again. The brakes finally started working well enough to do a 4th session, but I had to REALLY baby them.
Basically, they are going in the garbage. The other S2000 that was turning times close to mine was running Carbotec XP8's, IIRC, and had no issues at all, so I think I'll give those a try next.
^ XR3 is the wrong compound for the front of the S2000.
If you want the.. do every thing well, but noting great pad.. get the Carbotechs, and be happy with your compromise.
If you want a brake pad that will exceed all your expectations (on a race track)... get Cobalt XR1 and pair it up with XR3 in the rear (or if your brave XR2 works well in the rear as well). XR1 is in my opinion quite possibly the best race pad made available to the general public.
XR2 would be the right pad for street tires. I would recommend XR3 in the rear..
-Rob
If you want the.. do every thing well, but noting great pad.. get the Carbotechs, and be happy with your compromise.
If you want a brake pad that will exceed all your expectations (on a race track)... get Cobalt XR1 and pair it up with XR3 in the rear (or if your brave XR2 works well in the rear as well). XR1 is in my opinion quite possibly the best race pad made available to the general public.
XR2 would be the right pad for street tires. I would recommend XR3 in the rear..
-Rob
I guess I should have prefaced my comments by saying I'm running a BBK.
I have friends that had no problem destroying XP8's and even XP10's on the track. Some have switched over to Cobalt and are happy they did.
I have friends that had no problem destroying XP8's and even XP10's on the track. Some have switched over to Cobalt and are happy they did.
im on xr3/xr5 now, they have amazing stopping power and on top of that, after two days at t-hill they still have almost the same thickness as new with alot of meat left. I have flat black wheels and i clean before and after track, so brake dust doesnt really concern me. ill probably try the xr2 when i run R-comps
i would def recommend these pads over the few pads i have tried ( Endless CC-X, Project Mu circuit max900,Carbotech XP10)
i would def recommend these pads over the few pads i have tried ( Endless CC-X, Project Mu circuit max900,Carbotech XP10)
Originally Posted by Voodoo_S2K,Jun 16 2010, 10:20 AM
I guess I should have prefaced my comments by saying I'm running a BBK.
I have friends that had no problem destroying XP8's and even XP10's on the track. Some have switched over to Cobalt and are happy they did.
I have friends that had no problem destroying XP8's and even XP10's on the track. Some have switched over to Cobalt and are happy they did.
I am one of those. I ran xp12/xp8 combo for a looooong time. I went through many many sets of cb's. I was happy with them at first....until I started picking up the pace. Last 2 sets lasted me 2 trackdays each. After which I made to switch to cobalt xr2/xr5 on street tires. Pads now have more than 4 days on them and still have enough for the next track day or 2. Cobalt>carbotech for sure.
Originally Posted by -outkast-,Jun 21 2010, 09:50 AM
I am one of those. I ran xp12/xp8 combo for a looooong time. I went through many many sets of cb's. I was happy with them at first....until I started picking up the pace. Last 2 sets lasted me 2 trackdays each. After which I made to switch to cobalt xr2/xr5 on street tires. Pads now have more than 4 days on them and still have enough for the next track day or 2. Cobalt>carbotech for sure.


