I like Hui's split. If we can start each subject thread with a FAQ post and branch discussion off that point, I think it'll be very effective.

 

I think it's hard to say what works even at this point though. I wish this wasn't the case but Im sill seeing people win with all kind of diffenet spring set-ups. so keep the spring rates close and some are like 300in/lb difference front and rear. Same with the sway bar, I've seen people run stock bars all the way up to the 1.375 br on full stiff. I wish we could just say hey "this is what works", or "this is the range of what works and tune within that range to suit your driving style." I would say we could wait till nationals and have the top 3-5 guys (Mainly CRs though, haha Just kidding, we won't go there.) chime in and list there set-ups and settings but the odds are none of them will want to give that much info. We could us that info and see what overlaps and then make a FAQ.

Getting the top 5 s2000s to post their full set-ups is very unlikely.

 

fwiw-as far as my other car and autocross experiance goes, I have never told anyone my ACTUAL spring rates, lol. That goes for other things like alignment, pressures etc. ballpark maybe. I suspect that happens in the S2000 world as well

 

I'm a firm believer that the driver makes the most difference. Car setup for a national winner may make a local driver nervous. If my car wins a trophy I'll tell all, but it's not like anyone could just copy the setup and win.

 

I have always been more than willing to share information I have found to work. Even in B-Stock, my preferences are different than most other drivers. I feel by having all the information available encourages participation and benefits everyone. The last thing I want is to win due to a "secret" nobody else knows. I would rather fight it out with drivers. If I happen to do well and anyone wants to know my setup, all they have to do is ask.

This said, yes I am running a CR "delete" and yes, it appears to conflict with what I'm saying. I special ordered the car new in '08 because I liked it, not for any other reason. Now it happens to be the favored car.

I have found most the other S2000 guys are open with their setups. The problem is, nothing is proven at this point. My main concern for STR is to keep the rear stable. In every STR prepped car I have driven, rear stability is key. If I cant keep the rear stable, I cant be competitive. There are other factors for different course designs (like Toledo) but most of the National course flow well and are mostly higher speed maintenance.

-Marc

 

Thanks for the mention Charles. Better that someone else organize it. I would be happy to offer my input, but I'm new with the STR build just as you stated.

 

I have always been more than willing to share information I have found to work. Even in B-Stock, my preferences are different than most other drivers. I feel by having all the information available encourages participation and benefits everyone. The last thing I want is to win due to a "secret" nobody else knows. I would rather fight it out with drivers. If I happen to do well and anyone wants to know my setup, all they have to do is ask.

This said, yes I am running a CR "delete" and yes, it appears to conflict with what I'm saying. I special ordered the car new in '08 because I liked it, not for any other reason. Now it happens to be the favored car.

I have found most the other S2000 guys are open with their setups. The problem is, nothing is proven at this point. My main concern for STR is to keep the rear stable. In every STR prepped car I have driven, rear stability is key. If I cant keep the rear stable, I cant be competitive. There are other factors for different course designs (like Toledo) but most of the National course flow well and are mostly higher speed maintenance.

-Marc
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I agree with what Marc says about the rear end. I've made certain choices based on funds and current equipment that are not the same as others. But in the end, I can toss the car around.

 

I understand the not wanting to win based on some secret setup trick, but if I am being completely honest I'm going to hold back certain info in the future. For me it's all part of the competition, running in a class that allows a range of setup that can make or break your day. If and when I find what works for me I will be cautious about giving that info out. I hope I don't sound like a jerk, not what I am going for

I'm not saying right or wrong here, but for me the range of allowable adjustment is part of winning in this kind of class. Much less so in stock classes of course, everyone is on nearly the same setup and driver skill prevails. With STR say, driver skill still prevails but the car can start to affect the results more. A good driver on a bad setup might do the same time as a mediocre driver on a good one perhaps. Of course a good driver who has taken advantage of the rules and has found a good setup for him or herself can dominate.

 

Without sharing, why ask in the first place? That's kinda what a forum like this is about, isn't it? When I first started racing in b-stock, there was a top level driver that wouldn't share his setup info. It really took the fun out of it and began to root against them. The guys and girls in this sport that keep me coming back and have my respect are the ones willing to help you out and make you better. Do what you want, but if you wish to have your own secret setup, maybe figure it out on your own? Sounds like that is part of the fun for you? I could see that. Building something from scratch isn't my t, that's why I rely on many of the guys on here. Since I use this resource for my info, it woudnt be fair not to contribute when someone asks me.

-Marc

 

Well, I have been using this forum to search as much I can to get a good start on my new car. So I am guilty of relying on others as well. (you were the first to tell me of winning formula and I appreciated that) I don't want to be a "loner" in this class and maybe I am not coming across the way I mean to.

I guess when it comes down to it though, after I worked and worked to find what pressures, camber settings, shock settings and everything else that gives me the best opportunity for a win, I am not so quick to say "it is these pressures, this camber, this toe and this stiffness that got me the win". (but who's to say those settings would even work for the next guy I guess)

I made my STR AP1 thread for anyone to see, I would hope there will be some helpful things in there for others down the road, but I'm not going to post everything is all I'm saying. I guess that sounds pretentious...again, not what I am going for! I don't know, it's 2am I will see how bad this reads in the morning...