FYI: 1.5" Ankeny bar at full stiff here on 225 Dunlop Star Specs. Still need to change my alignment to further reduce oversteer.

But the OP has a deal on the 1.25 solid Gendron. It's a good bar, I'd snap it up over the slightly softer Saner if the price was even close.

 

Bill still makes them.

 

Oh ok so you just have to shoot them an email? Good to know.

 

>> My hopes are to make the car fairly neutral (oversteer bias if not completely neutral), and if I can do that with the Saner it would obviously save me some money.

Anything more than a saner on soft is going to make your car biased to understeer/ wash out on a Road Course - assuming a normal alignment and tires etc.

autocrossers will talk shit all day about wheel lift and 100lbs swaybars not being enough to stop the oversteer blah blah but that stuffs not gonna work on a road course your car will handle like a supermarket trolley in a sweeper with their settings!

If you want a nice balanced ap1 on stock suspension for a road course and to autox for fun on streets/Ra1's or something you want a bar about as stiff as a saner on soft.

 

lol, the comment about the supermarket trolley made me laugh

Really depends on the rubber and setup that you are running. Stock springs and race rubber in a track car still need a big bar if you are non-staggered with sticky tires. A lot of you track guys just have proper springs so you don't need big bars to compensate.

Nick

 

yeah, smallfortuneracing.com

 

I disagree. Believe it or not, autocrossers want neutral cars as well. The key is that you can't just take a previously neutral setup, slam a gigantic front bar on it, and expect it to handle without making other changes as well.

 

Disagree. Most auto-x S2000 would have significant oversteer and stability problems on a road course I know of and/or have driven.


To the OP, sorry to upset you, my advice is just my 02 and certainly not law. That is why I encourage others to do some R&D as I previously stated. Sounds like my definition of what works and the term "good" may be entirely different.

That said, I think your either have to buy adjustable parts, or pick one between a road course setup and an auto-x setup. For my driving style, they are entirely different. Alignment makes huge changes in characteristics, particularly rear toe and camber. The big bars have their issues, read up on the fixes and you will be fine. Many people have their opinions, simply pay attention to what works for the fast guys. Let them drive your car and ask them what it needs. Follow those with your driving style and ask polite questions. The auto-x faq is a great tool to get your setup there. Once your there, then I would start worrying about the proper setups. Most of us are still trying to figure that one out, Just sayin...

-Marc

 

>> Most auto-x S2000 would have significant oversteer and stability problems on a road course I know of and/or have driven.

right because for BS with a big front bar on stiff you have back the rear toe-in down or reduce rear camber to make it "rotate" ?

if he set it up with max camber all round, a bit of rear toe-in, zero front toe a saner on soft or equivilant, stock springs on a non-stagger it should be handling neutral > oversteer

you can auto-x on that setup just fine and it will work on a track

 

You can autox anything that will pass the inpection. Doesn't mean it will be fun or fast.