Matt, your right, I meant to say no rear bar.

I couldn't stand the car with the rear bar off at first, but I just made some adjustments to the car and it feels great to me. I'm running a Saner front bar on full soft (probably going to bump it up to the middle setting just to test it). I wonder if running the massive front bar with stiff front springs is what made the car feel bad with the rear bar pulled.

For what my opinion is worth (not much...), the car wasn't very comfortable with the rear bar on. Every time I went near the throttle it just went sideways. This was all on stock suspension though, I haven't tried it with the 600# springs. Having the rear bar off allows me to be real aggressive with the throttle off corner. You just have to use a bit of patience with the car mid-corner to prevent it from washing wide. This was all with -1.8 degrees of camber in the front, I'm hoping the increased front camber will help with my mid-corner grip problems.

I'd be interested to drive a car with stiffer springs, and bars.

 

I'm not sure how you guys with soft set-ups get through elements quickly. When the car is soft I can't throw the car through the elements near as fast as I can on my "stiff set-up."

 

At nationals, the car was pushy. That surface was sticky with all the clean lines and rubber laid down and there was tons of grip. At Blytheville a month later, the car was undrivably loose until I started softening rear shocks and the course started getting cleaner on day 2. The point is that the surface is very important and having a car that you can adjust to suit the available grip is key. I do not believe that there is a "set it and forget it" set up. There wasn't in my CRX and I drove that thing through 3 years worth of development.

 

Just ordered mine. I want some adjustability since there will be much R&D with our setup over the next year.

The first inputs are fine, its when switching back while the suspension is loaded where the issues start. There is a delay, detached, or a numb feel from the initial bite followed by the rear getting out of sync with your desired line. There are many variables to consider that will change these characteristics.

-Marc

 

How much did that run you? Haven't installed mine yet, but looking like the solid bar I have is a bit much for STR...

 

I agree and this delay caused from a soft set-up requires setting up early and ultimatly would mean you can't transition as fast through the elements. Otherwise saying it would be slower because you can't go as fast thought the elements. Correct? People running crazy stiff front roll stiffness but then running a really soft rear roll stiffness would result in a very pushy car I would think unless they dail it out with rear toe-in and/or camber. With a unbalanced roll stiffness I would also think the front of the car will be always waiting on the rear of the car to follow. I think a close to balanced roll stiffness front/rear would be ideal but we have to make the rear end stick.


What center section did you go with Marc? The .095 or .125 wall thickness? I would think the .095 since on the softest setting it's stiffer then the miata bar. This rear bar will be really nice at autocrosses because I can stick/unstick the rear very easily by changing the rear bar setting in grid. I rather change a rear bar setting then mess with shocks.

 

I went with the smallest center section. The softest setting will be slightly stiffer than the MX-5 bar based on some measurement a customer took for Bill Gendron.

-Marc

 

Nice! I'm gonna order mine soon.

 

They are going for $599. Note: They come with the ball bearing bushings. The first 5 are a little cheaper, that deal is likely gone since I was #3.



Last year, I ran the stock Ohlins Road & Track (DFV) springs. 572F / 457R. The car was well balanced but slow in transitions. I went to the Gendron Solid up front and MX5 rear bar. The car was slow to transition. I went to 800F / 572R and the car was very pushy but transitioning was much better. We were able to get the push out of the car with shock settings but the car didn't "feel" right. I ran in Macon, GA two weeks ago and dialed back the front bar 2 holes to try it out and boy did the car liven up. I love it now. However, I am sending the shocks off to Performance Shock to be re-valved. They are going to valve them for the higher spring rates since I have almost out of adjustment in the front. I am also going to have more low speed support dialed in so I can run a little less bar up front.

 

I'll just leave this here..

These came from Bill Gendron him self...