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View Poll Results: What front sway bar do you use?
Gendron 1.25" hollow
16.57%
Gendron 1.375" hollow
8.84%
Ankeny single blade
0.55%
Ankeny dual blade
7.73%
Comptech Adjustable V2
7.18%
Saner
19.34%
Other
13.26%
Eibach
20.44%
Standard Gendron
6.08%
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STR Prep - Sway Bars

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Old Nov 5, 2014 | 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Karcepts
I'm really sorry robinson, but we're only going to provide this data for our own product. Honestly, I don't even have all that info right now and it would take me half a day to generate. Would rather be working on rear S2K sway bars instead...

If you are on a square street tire setup, start on the 0.250" wall. If on a staggered street tire setup, maybe best to start on the 0.188" wall. If running R comps, the choice would be between the 0.250" wall and the solid.
This needs the ability to be much softer than the Gendron rear bar, probably softer than the miata bar. If the design uses universal center sections as your front bar does, this shouldn't be a problem.
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Old Nov 6, 2014 | 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by odb812
Originally Posted by Karcepts' timestamp='1415050813' post='23392418
I'm really sorry robinson, but we're only going to provide this data for our own product. Honestly, I don't even have all that info right now and it would take me half a day to generate. Would rather be working on rear S2K sway bars instead...

If you are on a square street tire setup, start on the 0.250" wall. If on a staggered street tire setup, maybe best to start on the 0.188" wall. If running R comps, the choice would be between the 0.250" wall and the solid.
This needs the ability to be much softer than the Gendron rear bar, probably softer than the miata bar. If the design uses universal center sections as your front bar does, this shouldn't be a problem.
If you calculate the rates, softer than the Miata bar and small Gendron rear bar is next to nothing in light of the geometry. I just disconnect the bar at that point. I like the Kacepts because of the careful to detail/quality. If I didnt already own the Gendrons and Comptech, I would purchase one!
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Old Nov 6, 2014 | 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by //steve\\
I want a rear sway that can be really soft like what's typical of STR setups but capable of being the same rate as a regular AP2 rear sway. Does something like that already exist?
Yes, the small Gendron rear.
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Old Nov 6, 2014 | 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by odb812
This needs the ability to be much softer than the Gendron rear bar, probably softer than the miata bar.
Personally, I agree with this, as how it suits my driving and setup, and since the Gendron rear targets a stiffer range, I will make the Karcepts rear bar start at a point definitely softer than the Miata and then make the range sweep as high as possible from there.
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Old Nov 6, 2014 | 03:11 PM
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Estimated price?
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Old Nov 7, 2014 | 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by //steve\\
Estimated price?
Aiming for as cost effective as possible... Most likely somewhere around $350. Will plan to offer a combo with front + rear for under $1k.
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Old Nov 7, 2014 | 10:13 AM
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Awesome!
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Old Apr 13, 2015 | 12:12 PM
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Car: 2004 S2000 AP2
Weight: 2745 lbs

Ride height: 12.5"f/13.0"r hub center to metal fender edge
Coilovers: Eibach Multi Pro R2 Double adjustable
Springs: 700f/700r
Front Bar: Moddicitions (Old Saner) 1.25"solid" @ 2 (3 way adjust)
Rear Bar: stock disconnected but still on car
Alignment: -2.7f, -2.4r camber, 0" toe front, 1/8" rear toe
Tires: 255 square Z2 Star Specs 34/32 psi
Wheels: TR Motor sports 17x9+63
Differential: stock Torsen
Bushings: OEM

Since the coils came with a square setup instead of being heavier in the front what sway bar setting should i try out? Current weights of the bar are 1-566 lbs, 2-644 lbs, 3-739. People mentioned that i could compensate the lighter front springs with a heavier bar setting but i don't have want to under steer the car too much. I can also play with rebound and compression, but any thoughts would be appreciated.

Here are some weight breakdowns:

OEM 295
Moddictions 1-566
Moddictions 2-644
Moddictions 3-739
Gendron 1.25 1-367
Gendron 1.25 2-389
Gendron 1.25 3-399
Gendron 1.25 4-477
Gendron 1.25 5-526
Gendron 1.25 6-582
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Old Apr 13, 2015 | 01:24 PM
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I'd like to know where the posted rates for the Saner/Modiction bar are comming from.
I've seen the following posted:
S-566 lbs/in
m-644
H-739
When I use Phun formula with .7 front Motion ratio and .67 rear I get:
S 823 lbs/in
m 959
h 1107
Anyone have some input on this?
Thanks
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Old Apr 13, 2015 | 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by markhs2
I'd like to know where the posted rates for the Saner/Modiction bar are comming from. I've seen the following posted: S-566 lbs/in m-644 H-739 When I use Phun formula with .7 front Motion ratio and .67 rear I get: S 823 lbs/in m 959 h 1107 Anyone have some input on this? Thanks
The Phun formula assumes the endlink is fully vertical, but we know that this is not true for all settings. So your calculations are probably high, at least at the stiffer settings.
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