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Old Dec 16, 2006 | 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by bunz559,Dec 15 2006, 01:59 AM
WOOT WOOT!! i should also add that he dynoed in at 179hp at method motor works here in fresno,ca.


07 S2000>H22 prelude!!

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A bone stock newer generation Prelude's H22 dyno's around 175-176 WHP (200 at the crank) The 92-96 Preludes H22 is rated at 190 crank hp, and dyno's anywhere from 165-170 Wheel HP...If he had cam's, I/E/H in a '93 lude, He should be around or over 200 Wheel HP. I don't understand why his car dynoed so low...maybe the motor's not in tip top shape being that it is 13 years old.

My 1st car was a '94 Prelude h22...With a cold air intake and some heavy 18" rims, I went 15.3@89 MPH. Fun little car.

Nice kill
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Old Dec 16, 2006 | 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by nfr2000,Dec 16 2006, 06:48 PM
too much genius in this thread for me.
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Old Dec 17, 2006 | 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by blessed,Dec 16 2006, 09:02 PM
A bone stock newer generation Prelude's H22 dyno's around 175-176 WHP (200 at the crank) The 92-96 Preludes H22 is rated at 190 crank hp, and dyno's anywhere from 165-170 Wheel HP...If he had cam's, I/E/H in a '93 lude, He should be around or over 200 Wheel HP. I don't understand why his car dynoed so low...maybe the motor's not in tip top shape being that it is 13 years old.

My 1st car was a '94 Prelude h22...With a cold air intake and some heavy 18" rims, I went 15.3@89 MPH. Fun little car.

Nice kill
easy... untuned... i've had the same set up in a hatch... h22+skunk2 stage 2 cams+aem intake+greddy headers+apexi exhaust+portflo 5 angle valve job+hondata s100+LSD+ACT clutch!! besides all the extras, the cams, i/h/e i was able to do a short tune and i pushed 198hp to the wheels. not fully tuned. his car was never really tuned except for about 1.30 hours from method motor works (which was new to the chrome program he had) here in fresno. but besides that, i dont really know .

but i do know after dumping a ton of money into my hatch, i've realized it's really hard to expect over 200 whp without touching the block "or" fine (lots of MONEY) tunning it. Pro-speed down in LA was the shop that did my swap/engine buildup and the guy says several of his cars with the same setup as i do tune in at around 215-220 whp. so i'd assume that with a fine tune, i'd expect he'd be close to 200 whp!!

oh and his first time at the track he ran a crappy 14.7 on some BF goodrich street slicks(or what ever they're called )...

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Old Sep 11, 2011 | 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by bunz559
Originally Posted by blessed,Dec 16 2006, 09:02 PM
A bone stock newer generation Prelude's H22 dyno's around 175-176 WHP (200 at the crank) The 92-96 Preludes H22 is rated at 190 crank hp, and dyno's anywhere from 165-170 Wheel HP...If he had cam's, I/E/H in a '93 lude, He should be around or over 200 Wheel HP. I don't understand why his car dynoed so low...maybe the motor's not in tip top shape being that it is 13 years old.

My 1st car was a '94 Prelude h22...With a cold air intake and some heavy 18" rims, I went 15.3@89 MPH. Fun little car.

Nice kill
easy... untuned... i've had the same set up in a hatch... h22+skunk2 stage 2 cams+aem intake+greddy headers+apexi exhaust+portflo 5 angle valve job+hondata s100+LSD+ACT clutch!! besides all the extras, the cams, i/h/e i was able to do a short tune and i pushed 198hp to the wheels. not fully tuned. his car was never really tuned except for about 1.30 hours from method motor works (which was new to the chrome program he had) here in fresno. but besides that, i dont really know .

but i do know after dumping a ton of money into my hatch, i've realized it's really hard to expect over 200 whp without touching the block "or" fine (lots of MONEY) tunning it. Pro-speed down in LA was the shop that did my swap/engine buildup and the guy says several of his cars with the same setup as i do tune in at around 215-220 whp. so i'd assume that with a fine tune, i'd expect he'd be close to 200 whp!!

oh and his first time at the track he ran a crappy 14.7 on some BF goodrich street slicks(or what ever they're called )...

scott
Well that's pretty interesting. I have no idea how much power my h22 is putting down but I don't think the AP2 S2000's are a ton more powerful than the h22a1. Honda specifically took all the engineering and design idea's from the h22 and built a new engine based on the K20 engine (Roughly). In honda's engineering technical articles they compared the volumetric efficiency of the h22 intake manifold with the f20 and f22 engines to acchieve a better performing engine. If you were to take the technical specs of the F20/F22C s2000 engine and implemented them to the h22a. Once you do that, you then can improve upon those specs and then you will outperform the F20/F22. Ideally the H22 is a capable powerhouse with the longer stroke than the f20/f22 and exact same bore. The f20/f22 has very aggressive camshaft profiles for the stock engine. So take the f22c base map and take the lift and duration of the standard cam lobes, and the vtec lobes and the throttle body size, intake manifold design, fuel injector output, and ignition timing. The h22 can put 240 to the crank without a problem. If you want to get an h22 to outperform an f20/f22. Just take all the numbers from the s2000 and compare them with the h22. You will see everything is larger on the f20/f22 than the h22 not including plenum size and stroke. I know the h22 has a lot of potential, it's just restricted in every way imaginable. By the way, I raced a couple s2000's in my car stock 96' prelude vtec and they won't out handle the prelude in high speed corners and isn't a ton faster. Up to 120mph, it's only a car in a half or so ahead. Just makes me want to perfect the h22 to mimic the f22c's glorious power output.
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Old Sep 11, 2011 | 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by chris89
Originally Posted by bunz559' timestamp='1166416582' post='9311555
Originally Posted by blessed,Dec 16 2006, 09:02 PM
A bone stock newer generation Prelude's H22 dyno's around 175-176 WHP (200 at the crank) The 92-96 Preludes H22 is rated at 190 crank hp, and dyno's anywhere from 165-170 Wheel HP...If he had cam's, I/E/H in a '93 lude, He should be around or over 200 Wheel HP. I don't understand why his car dynoed so low...maybe the motor's not in tip top shape being that it is 13 years old.

My 1st car was a '94 Prelude h22...With a cold air intake and some heavy 18" rims, I went 15.3@89 MPH. Fun little car.

Nice kill
easy... untuned... i've had the same set up in a hatch... h22+skunk2 stage 2 cams+aem intake+greddy headers+apexi exhaust+portflo 5 angle valve job+hondata s100+LSD+ACT clutch!! besides all the extras, the cams, i/h/e i was able to do a short tune and i pushed 198hp to the wheels. not fully tuned. his car was never really tuned except for about 1.30 hours from method motor works (which was new to the chrome program he had) here in fresno. but besides that, i dont really know .

but i do know after dumping a ton of money into my hatch, i've realized it's really hard to expect over 200 whp without touching the block "or" fine (lots of MONEY) tunning it. Pro-speed down in LA was the shop that did my swap/engine buildup and the guy says several of his cars with the same setup as i do tune in at around 215-220 whp. so i'd assume that with a fine tune, i'd expect he'd be close to 200 whp!!

oh and his first time at the track he ran a crappy 14.7 on some BF goodrich street slicks(or what ever they're called )...

scott
Well that's pretty interesting. I have no idea how much power my h22 is putting down but I don't think the AP2 S2000's are a ton more powerful than the h22a1. Honda specifically took all the engineering and design idea's from the h22 and built a new engine based on the K20 engine (Roughly). In honda's engineering technical articles they compared the volumetric efficiency of the h22 intake manifold with the f20 and f22 engines to acchieve a better performing engine. If you were to take the technical specs of the F20/F22C s2000 engine and implemented them to the h22a. Once you do that, you then can improve upon those specs and then you will outperform the F20/F22. Ideally the H22 is a capable powerhouse with the longer stroke than the f20/f22 and exact same bore. The f20/f22 has very aggressive camshaft profiles for the stock engine. So take the f22c base map and take the lift and duration of the standard cam lobes, and the vtec lobes and the throttle body size, intake manifold design, fuel injector output, and ignition timing. The h22 can put 240 to the crank without a problem. If you want to get an h22 to outperform an f20/f22. Just take all the numbers from the s2000 and compare them with the h22. You will see everything is larger on the f20/f22 than the h22 not including plenum size and stroke. I know the h22 has a lot of potential, it's just restricted in every way imaginable. By the way, I raced a couple s2000's in my car stock 96' prelude vtec and they won't out handle the prelude in high speed corners and isn't a ton faster. Up to 120mph, it's only a car in a half or so ahead. Just makes me want to perfect the h22 to mimic the f22c's glorious power output.
Almost 5 years too late man, just let it go
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Old Sep 11, 2011 | 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by chris89
Originally Posted by bunz559' timestamp='1166416582' post='9311555
Originally Posted by blessed,Dec 16 2006, 09:02 PM
A bone stock newer generation Prelude's H22 dyno's around 175-176 WHP (200 at the crank) The 92-96 Preludes H22 is rated at 190 crank hp, and dyno's anywhere from 165-170 Wheel HP...If he had cam's, I/E/H in a '93 lude, He should be around or over 200 Wheel HP. I don't understand why his car dynoed so low...maybe the motor's not in tip top shape being that it is 13 years old.

My 1st car was a '94 Prelude h22...With a cold air intake and some heavy 18" rims, I went 15.3@89 MPH. Fun little car.

Nice kill
easy... untuned... i've had the same set up in a hatch... h22+skunk2 stage 2 cams+aem intake+greddy headers+apexi exhaust+portflo 5 angle valve job+hondata s100+LSD+ACT clutch!! besides all the extras, the cams, i/h/e i was able to do a short tune and i pushed 198hp to the wheels. not fully tuned. his car was never really tuned except for about 1.30 hours from method motor works (which was new to the chrome program he had) here in fresno. but besides that, i dont really know .

but i do know after dumping a ton of money into my hatch, i've realized it's really hard to expect over 200 whp without touching the block "or" fine (lots of MONEY) tunning it. Pro-speed down in LA was the shop that did my swap/engine buildup and the guy says several of his cars with the same setup as i do tune in at around 215-220 whp. so i'd assume that with a fine tune, i'd expect he'd be close to 200 whp!!

oh and his first time at the track he ran a crappy 14.7 on some BF goodrich street slicks(or what ever they're called )...

scott
Well that's pretty interesting. I have no idea how much power my h22 is putting down but I don't think the AP2 S2000's are a ton more powerful than the h22a1. Honda specifically took all the engineering and design idea's from the h22 and built a new engine based on the K20 engine (Roughly). In honda's engineering technical articles they compared the volumetric efficiency of the h22 intake manifold with the f20 and f22 engines to acchieve a better performing engine. If you were to take the technical specs of the F20/F22C s2000 engine and implemented them to the h22a. Once you do that, you then can improve upon those specs and then you will outperform the F20/F22. Ideally the H22 is a capable powerhouse with the longer stroke than the f20/f22 and exact same bore. The f20/f22 has very aggressive camshaft profiles for the stock engine. So take the f22c base map and take the lift and duration of the standard cam lobes, and the vtec lobes and the throttle body size, intake manifold design, fuel injector output, and ignition timing. The h22 can put 240 to the crank without a problem. If you want to get an h22 to outperform an f20/f22. Just take all the numbers from the s2000 and compare them with the h22. You will see everything is larger on the f20/f22 than the h22 not including plenum size and stroke. I know the h22 has a lot of potential, it's just restricted in every way imaginable. By the way, I raced a couple s2000's in my car stock 96' prelude vtec and they won't out handle the prelude in high speed corners and isn't a ton faster. Up to 120mph, it's only a car in a half or so ahead. Just makes me want to perfect the h22 to mimic the f22c's glorious power output.
Dude preludes are heavy ass bitches. An ap2 stock will eat it up alive no contest. Preludes are like 15 sec cars while ap2 are like 13s to low ass 14s completely stock. This is coming from someone who owned a real prelude type s from japan.
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Old Sep 12, 2011 | 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by woodburn
Dude preludes are heavy ass bitches. An ap2 stock will eat it up alive no contest. Preludes are like 15 sec cars while ap2 are like 13s to low ass 14s completely stock. This is coming from someone who owned a real prelude type s from japan.
Agree. I heart my 96 VTEC lude but my AP1 kills it. The lude has a little more torque that makes it fun to drive in the city below 4k rpm, but as long as you keep the revs up the S will kill it in every way. It took about $3000 in suspension mods to make my lude handle almost as well as my stock AP1.
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