ok, first of all i didnt just come here to post a kill, i have actually been browsing the board for a while now and noticed some other non-S2K owners, so i decited to register. And 2nd, i could be wrong but torque definately plays a part when your trying to accelerate while going up-hill. No offense intended and i was just trying to tell a story, you guys need to relax a bit, im sure you have killed your share of bimmers. Anyway, no need to take offense just because one of your brotheren got beaten, get over it.

 

lol, you wish, i think you mean the Mustang GT. The S2k hangs with a GT stock vs Stock but the Cobra can pull low 13's in the 1/4

 

oh yeah? well my dady can beat up your dady! haha

 

Maybe he was referring to the previous, '98 and below, cobras of which there are a million of on the road. It's still a 4.6L V8 with over 300hp, and over 300 lbs of torque.

 

Nice kill...I'm not going to say you made this up cause it could easily happen. I use to have a 97 M3 with Dinan CAI and Motzart Exhaust. When I raced my S2000(stock) and M3(stock) the cars were dead even. The M3 was ahead at the start but I came back on the topend. When I let my "JEEP" friend drive the M3 while I drove the S2000 I killed him by at least 4 car lengths. It's all about driver. Our cars are so close in performance that it's about 90% driver. Good job.

-Brandon

 

Thanks man, its good to see that somebody is viewing this through unbiased eyes.

 

The bimmer probably had a ~30 hp and ~100 lb ft advantage. Four car lengths to 90, factoring in driver skill, certainly sounds credible. If downshifting was involved in the race (big hill), the bimmer would certainly have the advantage given that the 3.2L is a bit more flexible.

 

"lol, you wish, i think you mean the Mustang GT. The S2k hangs with a GT stock vs Stock but the Cobra can pull low 13's in the 1/4

the s2k does stay with the cobra pretty good, if they both have good drivers. but the mustang gt cant keep up near as well but it still holds its own. you can find some post of a modded gt losing to a stock s2k around here. and u can also find some with a s2k hangin with or beating the cobra, someone has a vid posted on here somehwere of the s2k and an s4 blowing away a cobra, but i dont know if the s2k was modded, most likely had something but if so the cobra probally did too. *sorry if i sound agressive at all, its just some have false claims or thoughts about our car.*

the best performance comes from the best drivers

 

'97 M3/2
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Does the '2' refer to 'two door', rather than four?


If not, I have no idea what that means.

 

Can anyone be bothered to explain why they think accelerating up a hill would give more of an advantage to one car vs. another?

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Yeah, I thought about this. I couldn't come up with a reason. HP is measured in the ability to move a measured weight. The change in angle of the road will change the weight (I'm sure there's a better term) the car has to push, since gravity is now fighting even more. But, this doesn't change the definition of torque and HP. So, the HP can still push X weight, Y distance, in Z seconds, it's just pushing more weight.

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Uphill, downhill, sideways, it doesn't matter. Nobody get's an edge because of terrain (not counting bumps).

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Well, i have though about this alot as well, probably alot of us have with all the your car has no torque comment, nd since you asked i thought i would try to answer it, this is my opinion and i welcome comments...

I beleive certain cars gain an advantage in an uphil race using torque, if you have ever watched a BM video the guys the comment that "awe, very hard to chase up" while going up a hill and "down-sloping very fast", they also comment on how turbos have the advantage up hill (with more torque)

Think about a truck it has an edge because of terain, i could pull 1 tonne of weight up almost any mountain, it has an advantage because of torque, but this is weight, not performance, but somehow this should be able to relate to it.

Think about this:

you are stopped in your s2k next to say the M3 and you are on a very steep hill, you both take off at the same time, both without dropping the clutch and using minimal revs to acheieve momentum up the hill, the S2000 peaks torque at 7500rpm, the Bimmer 3500 (i think, about that anyway) the BMW reaches it peak torque, which helps to propel the car up the hill, way before the s2k, it therefore has a huge advantage cause it is on it way while were waiting for the s2000 to reach it's peak torque, now there are always other factors such as the weight of both cars, etc, but torque has to have something to do with it..

Upon looking at http://www.howstuffworks.com/fpte3.htm

i found out some info:

A car engine creates torque, and uses it to spin the crankshaft, then shouldn't a car with more torque have a much more responsive engine?, i know the s2000 overcomes this by it's gearing, but i'm just asking questions...

I know just as much as u guys, i hope someone can make more sense out of this than me....

-Josh