I walked a TT supra the other day!!!




Then I decided it was better to take the leash off, and get in and drive the car instead...

 

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Well, today, I basically demolished a Ferrari 430 Scuderia. He couldn't handle my VTAK, yo! I even pink slipped him for it, but I sold that piece of shit because my stock AP2 is 30x faster than that Scud missile will ever be.

 

Hi, can you explain this? I always thought the higher the drop, the more force and potential damage on the drivetrain.

 

Today, I ran a Bugatti Veyron. His piece of shit, million dollar car got left 40 car lengths behind as soon as I revved my engine to 8000 rpm.

 

you are correct, generally speaking - the higher the launch RPM, the more stress you put on the drivetrain. the often overlooked aspect of this generalization is that different variables (power, traction, clutch slippage, etc.) put more stress on some specific components of the drivetrain, and less stress on others.

that being said, a drive train saps power/torque due to the less-than-perfect tolerances between every last one of the several moving/interacting parts of the drivetrain. the average drivetrain with manual gearbox loses between 15% and 18% of an engine's output before it ever reaches the ground. add a slipping clutch to the equation, and even less power/torque makes it to the ground. add wheelspin (a lack of traction) to the equation, and again, even more power/torque is lost through the drvetrain before it reaches the ground. so if you drive a car with a manual tranny, and your clutch is worn and constantly slips on you, you're losing more than 15-18% engine output through the drivetrain (and, moreover, any amount of additional output loss beyond the normal 15-18% is specifically attributed to that slipping clutch). but i digress...back to the point.

in an ideal world, drivetrains wouldn't sap any amount of power/torque as it is transferred from the flywheel to the road's surface - and no excessive amount of power would induce any amount of drivetrain loss either. but we do not live in a perfect world - hence the reason we typically see 15-18% drivetrain loss from drivetrains with manual gearboxes that are in perfect working condition, as well as additional drivetrain losses above and beyond the expected amount due to slipping clutches, spinning tires, etc. (caused by worn parts and/or an overabundance of power/torque). if a car produces more power than its drivetrain can handle, the car's wheels are going to spin (not grip), or the clutch will slip, or some other drivetrain component will suffer the loss. keeping that in mind, the higher the RPM you launch at, the greater the chances are that wheelspin will occur. the greater the chances of wheelspin occuring, the lower the chances are that other drivetrain components will suffer. so let's make the basic assumption that you're making more than enough power to induce a drivetrain loss of some sort - here are a few of several possible scenarios:

1) if your differential and clutch are working properly (not worn and slipping), chances are you'll break the tires loose.

2) if your tires are gripping and your diff is working fine, your clutch might slip.

3) if your tires are gripping and your clutch isn't slipping, you stand more of a chance of putting additional stress on (and posssibly breaking) the diff, or even the drivr shaft or axles.

again, this is a very general explanation, as there is MUCH more to a drivetrain than just the tires, the clutch, and the diff. but in a nutshell, the higher the RPM's are during your launch, the greater the chances are of putting additional stress on the tires (by spinning them), thus reducing the chances of overstressing other dirvetrain components (the differential being one of them). i'm sorry i couldn't shorten the length of this explanation, but then it wouldn't be in terns that even the layman can understand. i hope that helps answer your question.

 

Understood. Thanks for taking the time to explain!

 

I don't think any one is arguing that the Supra is the best car on the planet...but what is being debated is that a stock S2000 can beat or even hang with a BPU Supra. Of course we are assuming that both drivers are decent and that both cars have no issues...IF that is the case the OP is smoking rocks.


Regarding your post, why don't you race the single turbo Supra and see if you get wasted....doing a drive with cars is NOT the same as racing cars...I will assure you a correctly working single supra will KILL your correctly working STOCK S2K......


again good driving skills required for both cars....

 

Holy cow. This thread was created this year?

End of story? Supra is faster than an AP1 or AP2. Period.

I've owned and driven both cars. My Supra was a 6spd BPU and was trapping 117MPH in the quarter on pump (100octane unleaded) gas.

I've long since grown out of drag racing, yeah it's pretty much a battle of wallets, not skills.... afterall an S2000 isn't a drag car... and technically neither is the Supra... it just happens to haul @ss in a straight line though.

The handling/feel in the S2000 pwns a stock Supra though. Which is part of the reason I no longer own my JZA80 RZ

 

why does everybody say the OP lied? his conclusion is wrong, but the encounter sounds believable.

I bought a 92 dodge stealth 3-4 years ago and found it was on the original spark plugs. a stock TT supra is what, 15-20 years old now? who knows how many ponies have left it over the years...

but obviously, in the ideal "with equal drivers, conditions, and all the other variables that are never equal" situation, a stock supra TT > stock S2000

 

We're still waiting on that video