you've seen that type of variance because you run on a shitty dyno i guess.

you've been running a $200 flash and upgrading at the same time? Well then you arent getting the power you should be. You will have to spend $200 again to get the full potential.

i believe that there is a small difference between the two cars, but you are exaggerating the difference.

and thats what you get for assuming.

 

So you dont believe that a 20-30 whp difference is significant? And no i have not been upgrading...now who is doing the assuming.......so you calling pruven's awd dyno and tubotrix's dyno shitty? haha

Bottom line you are wrong.

 

its obviously not a consistent dyno.

bottom line is you can't read, i said theres not much of a difference and theres NOT. Maybe the 05 is easier to get consistent times out of but 13.2 @ 102 is a fairly common time even for the 03s. if there truly was a 20-30 wh difference we would be seeing more and more 12 second stock evos. Granted there have been a few, but there have been some stock 12 second 03's as well. at the low 13 second area 20-30 whp is enough to reduce the time by 2-3 tenths. However they are running similar times.

you are saying the difference is huge when clearly it is not.

 

OMG! I've shown you threads where they demonstrated it ON THE SAME TYPE OF DYNO THAT YOU USED!!! With regards to track times - Trying to take a representative sample from a pool where ellevation, temp, track conditions, and of course driver skill varies, is illogical! And if you look at the drag forums on evom, YOU WILL SEE that 05's trap HIGHER than 03/04's want me to post those threads up too?!?!

So in conclusion:

1) All the professional tuners on evom are wrong about the 10.5 hotside (including the likes of dynoflash, werks, vishnu) - you obviously have much more experience than them and can tune better to boot.
2) The dynos that have shown the differences in the current and ealier evos really dont show a 20-30 whp difference are flawed and there really only is a 9 hp difference (even though you use the same type of dyno).


You win My statements based on researched scientific, reproducible numbers across a broad range of cars (most of which I own or have access to) dont hold a candle to what you have experienced during your 6 month tuning career (on the evo with an ecu+).

Good luck with your car!
Bobby

 

LOL ok man

good luck with your "scientific" research too.

 

i think my 02 stock s2k ran a decent time of 14.4 in 90degree weather...I've seen as low 15 something so i don't think 14.4 is that bad of time

 

Well, 99mph for a stock s2000 seems about right. Evo's avg a little higher, like around 101's. Yes, there are the extremes as well.

 

the slowest time I ever ran in my stock S2000 was a 14.3 in 90 degree weather. and that was with a missed 1-2 shift.

 

Maybe he's at a higher elevation...

 

maybe wisconsin is at a fast track.