S2K vs RX8
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Originally Posted by PilotKD,Aug 3 2004, 01:18 PM
Auto's have 197hp @ 7200 rpm and 164 ft-lb @ 5000 rpm while the 6-speed has
238 @ 8500 rpm and 159 ft-lb @ 5500 rpm. Curb weight for the RX-8 is 3,029lb while the S2000 is about 2,830lb and the S has roughly the same hp and torque figures as the 6-Speed RX-8. That alone equates to about .2-.3 seconds in the 1/4 mile.
238 @ 8500 rpm and 159 ft-lb @ 5500 rpm. Curb weight for the RX-8 is 3,029lb while the S2000 is about 2,830lb and the S has roughly the same hp and torque figures as the 6-Speed RX-8. That alone equates to about .2-.3 seconds in the 1/4 mile.
And .2 or .3 seconds could easily be influenced by extra weight, shifting at the wrong point, traction issues, driver error, etc.
Yes, I believe the S2K is quicker. But it's going to be close, and from a roll is not the same as a 1/4 mile run at the track. So I don't believe that someone is going to put 2-3 car lengths or completely dominate the RX8 for the reasons already mentioned.
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Originally Posted by natedoggs2k,Aug 3 2004, 12:29 PM
Ummmm...FYI...very few stock S2K's have broken into the 13's with a perfect driver on a perfect track under perfect conditions. The S2K runs mid-to-low 14's and even 15's. 
The RX8 runs mid-14's to 15's. What you read in the magazines is not what most people are able to replicate, so figure that you're going not have a perfect driver, perfect conditions and a perfect track. Which means that both cars will be close, unless one is modded, or it was the automatic.
You must have been racing an automatic RX8 if you were pulling a few car lengths on it.
And like I said before, I'm quite a good driver, but obviously, we have a bunch of professionals on here who think they are better than everyone else.
Get real. Some of you have been reading too many magazines. Oh, I forgot. We are on the internet. Everyone is good looking, intelligent and has the fastest car.
The RX8 runs mid-14's to 15's. What you read in the magazines is not what most people are able to replicate, so figure that you're going not have a perfect driver, perfect conditions and a perfect track. Which means that both cars will be close, unless one is modded, or it was the automatic.You must have been racing an automatic RX8 if you were pulling a few car lengths on it.
And like I said before, I'm quite a good driver, but obviously, we have a bunch of professionals on here who think they are better than everyone else.
Get real. Some of you have been reading too many magazines. Oh, I forgot. We are on the internet. Everyone is good looking, intelligent and has the fastest car.
Street Encounters are a joke, I really wish we didn't have this forum, but keep in mind any thread is from the thread starter/driver/killer. Do we care, do we really need proof? This forum is drama only.
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Originally Posted by HondaGal,Aug 3 2004, 01:37 PM
Having a bad day?
Street Encounters are a joke, I really wish we didn't have this forum, but keep in mind any thread is from the thread starter/driver/killer. Do we care, do we really need proof? This forum is drama only.
Street Encounters are a joke, I really wish we didn't have this forum, but keep in mind any thread is from the thread starter/driver/killer. Do we care, do we really need proof? This forum is drama only.
You're right. And yes, these types of forums need to be done away with. I've been a member of so many car forums, and the "race" or "street encounters" are usually so hyped, overblown or ridiculous. I especially love when people talk about how they A) blew away a car not even in it's class (S2K vs Civic) or B) They blow someone away that wasn't even racing them! And of course, the ricer fly-by is always a classic.
It's just like a fish tale (everyone knows how they go).
And I've just added to the drama.
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natedogg...First off sorry to burst your bubble, but yes he was racing. I have no need to post BS, I posted the facts plain and simple. If I lose I admit that too, you can look in the forum and see my run against a 67 turbo Bug which beat me, I could have said I beat a turbo bug 
I will admit I dont know if it was an auto if it was that may be why I pulled away from him so easily. Second, when my EVO was stock most people say that it an S2K can take it from a roll, well when I raced a 6 speed RX8 from a roll I could let him get the jump and still pass him with ease (and yes he was racing, I think I can tell when someone downshifts and takes off)
I always think its funny when someone says "oh they werent racing you" like you were there!! If someone isnt really racing you would they be taking their car up to 120mph? Keep in mind I have driven one and even after our test drive we took the salesman for a spin in our S and even he agreed that the S was faster.
I will admit I dont know if it was an auto if it was that may be why I pulled away from him so easily. Second, when my EVO was stock most people say that it an S2K can take it from a roll, well when I raced a 6 speed RX8 from a roll I could let him get the jump and still pass him with ease (and yes he was racing, I think I can tell when someone downshifts and takes off)I always think its funny when someone says "oh they werent racing you" like you were there!! If someone isnt really racing you would they be taking their car up to 120mph? Keep in mind I have driven one and even after our test drive we took the salesman for a spin in our S and even he agreed that the S was faster.
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Fair enough.
I still think he was A) Driving an automatic RX8 or B) Didn't know how to drive/downshift/etc.
A stock EVO will kill an S2K and many other cars from a stop, on a roll, or even if giving the other car a slight lead.
I still think he was A) Driving an automatic RX8 or B) Didn't know how to drive/downshift/etc.
A stock EVO will kill an S2K and many other cars from a stop, on a roll, or even if giving the other car a slight lead.
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Originally Posted by natedoggs2k,Aug 3 2004, 11:13 AM
A stock EVO will kill an S2K and many other cars from a stop, on a roll, or even if giving the other car a slight lead.
However, I find it weird that you would say that about the EVO. I know most people will disagree with you on that, since they say the S and the EVO are pretty similar performance wise.
I would actually like to race another S2K from a roll to see how the EVO does, we have messed around a few times with our cars and the EVO pulls easily.
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My friend has an EVO. I have raced him from a stop, a roll, and with him behind me. The EVO destroys the S2K. When the boost comes on, it comes on quick and VTEC is not enough to make up for it. There were times when we would be fairly close in certain instances, but for the most part, the EVO would dominate my S2K and my friend's S2Ks!!! We all have stock cars (other than some who have S2K's with suspension or exhaust).
I think the S2K is a quick car, especially for NA. But turbocharged cars have so much more and that damn EVO is fast. He isn't the best driver, and has only managed a 13.7 at the track, but that doesn't show the potential of the car especially when racing on the street from a roll. The EVO can run low 13's (with a good driver, good conditions and good track). But even an "OK" drive can still manage to wipe up many other cars.
Remember, what happens on the track is always different on the street. I think more people can drive better (quicker) on the street because you can do it from a roll and don't have to deal with the same pressure and conditions of the track. Our local track is slippery, so unless you have slicks or practice every week, you are at a disadvantage (wheelspin is horrible).
I think the S2K is a quick car, especially for NA. But turbocharged cars have so much more and that damn EVO is fast. He isn't the best driver, and has only managed a 13.7 at the track, but that doesn't show the potential of the car especially when racing on the street from a roll. The EVO can run low 13's (with a good driver, good conditions and good track). But even an "OK" drive can still manage to wipe up many other cars.
Remember, what happens on the track is always different on the street. I think more people can drive better (quicker) on the street because you can do it from a roll and don't have to deal with the same pressure and conditions of the track. Our local track is slippery, so unless you have slicks or practice every week, you are at a disadvantage (wheelspin is horrible).
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Well I agree with you there, but people have called BS when we raced our EVO and S. The EVO would pull (not hard) but it would pull away even with the S getting the initial jump. Now with the drop in filter and catback the EVO pulls easily.
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I guess some people can't come to grips that the S2K is not the fastest car and will lose to other cars, even if they aren't supposed to be faster.
The EVO pulls, and it pulls strong! I think the S2K has to be in third gear in order to get to the one point where the EVO doesn't pull as hard, but no matter what, the EVO is pushing 19lbs of boost at 3500 RPMs and 16lbs boost at 6500 RPMs in EVERY GEAR!
It's an impressive car. But I still love the S2K more, and the S2K loves the curves more than it loves racing in a straight line.
The EVO pulls, and it pulls strong! I think the S2K has to be in third gear in order to get to the one point where the EVO doesn't pull as hard, but no matter what, the EVO is pushing 19lbs of boost at 3500 RPMs and 16lbs boost at 6500 RPMs in EVERY GEAR!
It's an impressive car. But I still love the S2K more, and the S2K loves the curves more than it loves racing in a straight line.
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Don't worry guys, when Dolemike and I do the videotaped runs between 8 and S, we will do several and videotape the results.
Dolemike and myself have similar driving skills so I am hoping it just shows the difference between the cars. I expect the S to win by a couple of car links from a roll but we will see how it goes.
I would also be curious to do a run vs him top up, and top down to see what a difference the drag makes.
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Dolemike and myself have similar driving skills so I am hoping it just shows the difference between the cars. I expect the S to win by a couple of car links from a roll but we will see how it goes.
I would also be curious to do a run vs him top up, and top down to see what a difference the drag makes.
Dean