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From: san leandro
Originally posted by Radkins
Or better yet, lets get a supercharged highly modified S2k up against a highly modded RX-7. I know there are a few of you with superchargers, care to play? I am in Indiana.
Or better yet, lets get a supercharged highly modified S2k up against a highly modded RX-7. I know there are a few of you with superchargers, care to play? I am in Indiana.
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Yes, I can say that the FD non-turbo is a slower car than the S2000, stock for stock as a comparison. I used to own a turbo FC3S and it was slow in stock form and very little torque to go with it. It was only after modding it with a bigger turbine, intercooler and new 3mm seals did it achieve real performance.
The N/A RX7 FD is slower than than the S2000, hands down. (I hope to not hear anything regarding the 1.3L displacement subject as an excuse).
Don't get me wrong, I never said that the RX7 Turbo sucked, it just wasn't tuned well at the factory, that's all. I owned 1 for 5 months and sold it to a friend of mine who went all out on it. It is a very fast car.
Are you saying the Honda didn't achieve anything by coming out with the S2k? It sure sounds that way after reading it and having a few others here read it also. I never said anything about the 9k redline and such, but since you brought it up, Honda is the first to make such an engine that is LEV. To me, there's no excuse anymore to not tune a car for performance and have very effective emission controls put into play.
I have no idea where you are coming from by trying to put me down with not knowing anything about cars outside the US and since you don't know me, you should keep your comments to yourself.
SHIRI said: " ... they copied practically everything from Toyota/Suzuki, in particular the Toyota Trueno Sprinter (from dashboard to high revs"
So by what you are saying about Honda is that you are sure that they copied Toyota and Suzuki for the dashboard to the high revs? What evidence do you have to support your claim? The dashboard of the S2k doesn't even remotely look like anything that Toyota or Suzuki ever put into production. On top of that, how do you know whether one copied something from another? Honda has F1 engines that rev much higher than 10k rpms and have won numerous races based on technology applied to some of their current model vehicles. Another thing, that would suggest that the FD which shares a similar rev limit near 9k that they too have copied Toyota/Suzuki with their rev limit, although the rotary and piston engine share very little in common.
The heads, pistons, rods, and block of the F20C doesn't even remotely look like anything used in the 4AG series (take any one, 16v to the 20V) so I have no clue where you got this idea of Honda copying others. Take a good look at the blown up schematic of the S2k's engine and you'll see that its very different in design.
SHIRI said: "I may not like the RX7, but it is a car I can respect (any car that can go really really fast would"
By your description of a car you'd respect is something that can go really fast. That would mean that a Dodge SRT-4 would be something you'd respect more than an RX7 turbo, Supra Turbo, 300ZX because it is faster stock versus stock.
SHIRI, please RE-READ my post. I didn't trash on the RX7 FD, but having owned and worked on one, I know of its strengths and weaknesses. I'm only beginning to learn the S2000 so I have much to learn plus I won't ever claim to know any car that I haven't owned, but that's me.
No, I don't know much about cars outside of the USA because unfortunately I live in the USA. I don't care what car (enter name here) in a country outside the US can do against my S2000 here because I don't worry
about a car I won't get to see here. You think I care if Geo made a Metro with a 9200rpm redline? You think that'll make me run out and get one just because? Dude, numbers mean nothing, driving experience means everything.
Seriously, please take the time and re-read my post, you'll find that I am not downing the RX7 at all.
The N/A RX7 FD is slower than than the S2000, hands down. (I hope to not hear anything regarding the 1.3L displacement subject as an excuse).
Don't get me wrong, I never said that the RX7 Turbo sucked, it just wasn't tuned well at the factory, that's all. I owned 1 for 5 months and sold it to a friend of mine who went all out on it. It is a very fast car.
Are you saying the Honda didn't achieve anything by coming out with the S2k? It sure sounds that way after reading it and having a few others here read it also. I never said anything about the 9k redline and such, but since you brought it up, Honda is the first to make such an engine that is LEV. To me, there's no excuse anymore to not tune a car for performance and have very effective emission controls put into play.
I have no idea where you are coming from by trying to put me down with not knowing anything about cars outside the US and since you don't know me, you should keep your comments to yourself.
SHIRI said: " ... they copied practically everything from Toyota/Suzuki, in particular the Toyota Trueno Sprinter (from dashboard to high revs"
So by what you are saying about Honda is that you are sure that they copied Toyota and Suzuki for the dashboard to the high revs? What evidence do you have to support your claim? The dashboard of the S2k doesn't even remotely look like anything that Toyota or Suzuki ever put into production. On top of that, how do you know whether one copied something from another? Honda has F1 engines that rev much higher than 10k rpms and have won numerous races based on technology applied to some of their current model vehicles. Another thing, that would suggest that the FD which shares a similar rev limit near 9k that they too have copied Toyota/Suzuki with their rev limit, although the rotary and piston engine share very little in common.
The heads, pistons, rods, and block of the F20C doesn't even remotely look like anything used in the 4AG series (take any one, 16v to the 20V) so I have no clue where you got this idea of Honda copying others. Take a good look at the blown up schematic of the S2k's engine and you'll see that its very different in design.
SHIRI said: "I may not like the RX7, but it is a car I can respect (any car that can go really really fast would"
By your description of a car you'd respect is something that can go really fast. That would mean that a Dodge SRT-4 would be something you'd respect more than an RX7 turbo, Supra Turbo, 300ZX because it is faster stock versus stock.
SHIRI, please RE-READ my post. I didn't trash on the RX7 FD, but having owned and worked on one, I know of its strengths and weaknesses. I'm only beginning to learn the S2000 so I have much to learn plus I won't ever claim to know any car that I haven't owned, but that's me.
No, I don't know much about cars outside of the USA because unfortunately I live in the USA. I don't care what car (enter name here) in a country outside the US can do against my S2000 here because I don't worry
about a car I won't get to see here. You think I care if Geo made a Metro with a 9200rpm redline? You think that'll make me run out and get one just because? Dude, numbers mean nothing, driving experience means everything.
Seriously, please take the time and re-read my post, you'll find that I am not downing the RX7 at all.
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Just FYI, the reason I brought up an N/A RX7 in the mix is because I don't believe in comparing a boosted car versus a normal aspirated car, plus when doing a comparison between 2 cars, I believe in using the factory tuned OEM models in unmodded forms because anything can happen when one puts a lot of time and money into upgrading their ride.
If the subject is regarding the potential of something, then that's another story. Some cars do have more potential (possibly due to a bigger market offering) than others.
Just my .02
If the subject is regarding the potential of something, then that's another story. Some cars do have more potential (possibly due to a bigger market offering) than others.
Just my .02