I'm surprised that no one spotted that the new graphs at vtec.net can't but be wrong.

At 7.5krpm the "green" car is twisting out 2.5 lbft of torque more than the red one, while pushing less HP.

While extracting another 30HP from an 8% increase in stroke is tough, achieving the above is nothing short of revolutionary.

Proven true, I can see Honda bagging their first physics Nobel prize...

 

If you are trading an '02 for and '04 JUST because you read that the '04 out-dynoed a '02 by 20hp, then here is a tip I'd provide:

Invest in a CT SC for the '02. Smoke the '04. Save a lot of cash.

If you are getting rid of the '02 for an '04 for other reasons, that's your business. But if it is just for the "dynoed HP upgrade", that seems foolish.

 

but, but, but... the '04 has TWO cup holders

and you can put an SC on the '04 and smoke an '02 SC

hmmm....

keith

 

It does not take a genius to realize we have two camps, categories, whatever term floats your boat here. Pre and Post 04.

The fact that I have a pre 04 S2000 has no affect on whether or not I prefer scientific approaches to research and presentation -- just as my S2000 has no bearing on what toilet paper I will buy.

Regarding the boxster comparison. The car is now softer, less prone to oversteer, requires less skill from the driver and has more torque down low. If that is not a watering down of the real deal, I don't know what is. I am simply calling a cow a cow. If those factors are what you are looking for (and apperantly Honda feels I am in the minority here when I say they are negative aspects) good for you. Fantastic car.

Lucky for me I can still buy what I feel is the real car in Europe.

 

A little critical reading would have netted you the answer to that Luis. Hint, it has to do with "SAE". Where do you see it and where don't you? And that is way too close to violating my no technical post rule.

Everyone's got an agenda and no one's got a clue....11% more power from 8% more displacement, more compression, different cams, a leaner mixture and more ignition timing - sounds "hella" tough to me.

UL

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Luis
I'm surprised that no one spotted that the new graphs at vtec.net can't but be wrong.

 

The MY02 S2k is a very easy car to drive fast compared to my MR2. Does that make the S2000 suddenly unworthy? Not in my opinion. Most of the '04's built-in understeer is due to the lack of negative camber on the front wheels as the car leaves the factory. A simple alignment will change that.

The rear springs are softer, yes, but the fronts are stiffer and the body structure is also more resistant to flexing. How do you conclude the car is softer overall?

Now I like both the 00-03 and the '04s but if I were to buy one it'd be the '04 simply for the drivetrain reliability enhancements and wider wheels. To me the "more torque" VS "9k rpm" debate is a wash -- I could go either way.

I see nothing wrong with updating a car to make it more comfortable and more reliable while being as fast as the old model. Is that not an improvement?

Heck if oversteer and a rough ride are your cup of tea then why not buy an AE86 with lots of suspension modifications and an engine swap? I guarantee that one will go sideways early and often.

It's all relative. I don't think the spirit of the S2k has been changed much at all.

 

i agree 100% but never fails to amaze me how many people group the 00-03 as the same car, the suspension from 00-01 to 02-03 are different.

 

You are comparing two different vehicles. The point it lost. Incidentally, one could argue that Toyota did a similar thing with the second gen Mr2's, the early versions being known for their nasty snap-oversteer. Some folks, me included enjoy such antics. I'd love to find a nice 91 to replace my 86 Mr Two beater.


Honda certainly believes so, as do all of the buyers. Don't mistake my comments as belittling the car in any way, it is still a fantastic vehicle, just not what I am looking for, and I am probably well into the minority on this issue, I like cars that go round and round, that have too much horsepower and I am the idiot who always disables stability control if it is present.

 

This kind of comment disgusts me. Those "old women" are consistently driving their base Boxsters at autocrosses to times comparable to those the S2000 despite a significantly worse power-to-weight ratio. The Boxsters are losing time on every straight on an autocross course, so where do you think they're making the time back?



Steve

 

I don't see your point here.

Yes, the Boxsters do quite well in auto-x events.

Yes, they are marketed towards older women.

Interesting factoid:

A recent survey by the website polled its female visitors' comments to find their most desired car. The results were: (in order) the Ford Puma, Mazda MX-5, Nissan 200 SX, Hyundai Couple and Porsche Boxster.