Steve C,

Are you seriously implying that the Boxster is not a good performing and handling car?

Sure, it has it's downsides. And its very over-priced. But if handles quite well.

You're just being rediculous now.

 

 

I'm with you there - I like to be controlling the car with my right foot, without a computer intervening. The '04 still has LSD and a distinct lack of traction control, just like the older models. I think with a performance oriented alignment it could provide plenty of tail wagging fun for someone like you.

As for the MR2s, that reminds me of something that could maybe relate to the S2k 'generation gap.' The first two years of the MKI (85-89)and MK2 (91-95) MR2s do have a reputation for 'snap' oversteer. In both cases, for the third year Toyota revised the rear suspensions for less toe change under load and less oversteer as well. In the case of the MK2, the 93-95 cars are generally held to handle better than the more tail-happy 91-92s. The later ones are preferable to the early cars in SCCA Solo2 E-Stock competition. I think the S2000 may be following the same path. It remains to be seen if it's any faster around corners than the pre-04s, but I wouldn't be surprised if it is.

Like I said before I don't think the '04 is that much of a different beast than the pre-04. They're far more similar than they are different.

This 'camp' business will pass someday, I'm sure. Among the MR2 crowd a MKI is a MKI, regardless of whether it's an 85 hardtop with the rear sway bar, or an 88 SC with no rear bar and a couple hundred pounds more weight. As the S2000 ages I think this will become the majority attitude.

 

No. I was simply stating who they are (and this is theory and conjecture on my part) targeted towards.

While I'm personally not a fan of the Boxster, as an enthusiast I do understand what it is.

 

UL, thanks for the rwhp comparisons. An impressive increase for sure and great for the bench racer's bragging rights. In the real world, probably only the hardcore S2000 owners will really notice both the styling and performance differences in the first generation vs. second generation car. To suggest that the new S2000, or a Boxster for that matter, are not great sports car is absurd. The changes Honda made in the S2000 for the American market, especially in the handling, suspension, and engine would normally be considered by most reasonable people as improvements and I wouldn't argue too strongly against that. However, that said, I personally prefer the exotic screaming 9000 rpms of the original, be it a little down on HP to the new kid. The reason is all about the fun factor and IMO that what sets the original apart from others and gave it its true character. In the handling department, the UK alignment did wonders for settling down the twitching original car. I won't be surprised at all to see the new kid out perform it at the track as an easier car to drive is normally a faster car. But bench racers of the older model can have bragging rights about how their skills overcame the beast within. Bottom line, any S2000, no matter the year, HP, or supension setup is worthy of a place in any enthusiasts garage.

 

Thank you for posting. I'm having some non-buyer's remorse, as I passed up a great offer from my dealer to trade my '01 for an '04.

Oh well. I still have a great sports car sitting out the below zero weather in my garage, and about $8,000 more in my bank account. Someday I'll blow that $8,000 and more on a next generation NSX and make up for this lost opportunity.

 

Jeez, can we just forget about steve c and this weird quest of his to draw attention to himself every time the '04 is mentioned? It doesn't contribute anything to the discussion of how much hp the F22C1 makes.

I want to know why there's a 10 lb-ft spike at 8000rpm for the Dynapack dynoes, while it doesn't show up on any of the Dynojet dynoes. Cuz otherwise, the vtec.net dynoes would show about the same 18hp increase that the Bay Area dyno does, rather than the nearly 30 we see. So which is it? Does the F22C1 torque spike just before redline, or does it not?

 

Very little if any of this thread, including your "look at me instead" post contributes anything regarding how much power the new motor makes.

 

i still say you're jealous

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ultimate lurker