UL nice piece of work, though I am not quite as concerned as others maybe, I think you did a great job. Thanks!

 

I've skipped to the end of this but wanted to let everyone know that the North Texas Club is hosting a dyno day on Nov 22nd and we will have a "consumer" 2004 in the mix. We'll report the results here.

 

please have someone bring an ODB-II tool or software so you can confirm the coolant temp is teh same on all cars.

 

motor trend 1/4 mile times for 2.0L is 13.8, and the most recent issue has 2.2L test done @ 13.89. The cars perform about the same. The 04 is just more streetable. don't get me wrong the 04 is still an s2000, and I still love it, but I'd rather stick to the older styling!

 

I wonder if the F20C that's continuing in other markets will also have a more agressively tuned ECU? It would be nice for Honda to do that. If they are less conservative with the timing and fueling, it would give an MY2004 F20C car, a little more. And might be a nice ECU option for older F20C engined cars. Pure speculation of course.

-Brian.

 

I am not trying to pretend that you can draw valid comparitive conclusions from different tests done at different times on diferent places. I think I left that perfectly clear in my post. Having said this, your numbers do look a bit slow. Those are definitely not sub 6s 0-60 cars.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ultimate lurker
First off, in tests with both an AP22 and a Vericom in the car at the same time, we've found an average difference of 0.2 seconds (the AP22 showing shorter times) on 0-60 runs.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ultimate lurker

 

You know, I had a nice long reply trying _once again_ to politely communicate how an engine can gain power, or how testing practices differ, but you know what, it doesn't matter.

AFAIC, many of you are living in a dream world. You're looking for reasons why the new car isn't faster than your car. Its natural, but its silly. If a customer car makes less power, it'll go up the same day in an article, but for now the attempts to poke holes in the testing are simply ridiculous and without merit.

And ttb, I could really care less what credibility I have with you. Whatever respect/credibility I have, I've earned - and I've earned from people who pay me for my services, not people on the Internet with an axe to grind.

UL

 

(sarcasm toward ttb and luis)
considaring how many S2000's you have tested, I should believe you right? and of those how many were the 04 F22C's?

UL has been a great member of this board and has contributed more than either of you as far as I am concerned. I repect his opinions greatly. Why would be mislead us? What would there be to gain? He's a MY2000 owner; if anything he should want the 00-03's to be better.

Those who doubt that the 04 is better, everyone talks about how the 04 was an ECONOMIC decision to "soften" it up. Then how economical would it be to make 20 or so press cars with different cams, pistons, rods, and heads (cause it obviously is not the ECU)? The R&D on those parts would be rediculous, just so that Honda could lie about power, especially when eventually 04 owners will have their cars dynoed within months????

Face it, the 04 is a more powerful machine. And if you dont believe it now, as you said, time will tell...and tell you that you are wrong.

ON THE OTHER HAND, with the stock alignment settings and the decrease in spring rates in the rear and increase in the front, along with the slower steering rack, it wouldnt supprise me if the 04 has lost some edge on the razor sharp handling (which would hurt on the track and autocross), but in the real world, where roads are not perfect (where the old s2k's have been known for a loose rear end), the 04 should be just as good if not better.

 

again...."can't we all just get along" as i said before fast s2ks are FI s2ks! he he he