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Old May 12, 2005 | 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Incubus,May 4 2005, 10:14 PM
I'll bring the beers, I'll bring the beers.
MR Deeds?
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Old May 12, 2005 | 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by s2kDinesh,May 12 2005, 06:16 PM
MR Deeds?
Finally...someone caught it! Mr. Deeds is right.
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Old May 12, 2005 | 11:24 AM
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I thought the temp gauge is already in the 2005 euro models?

Why are so many on this forum intent on seeing the S2000 go away? Seems self defeating. I hope they continue to evolve the car like the 911. I'd hate to see my lease end and there's no new S2000 to buy.

Imagine how cool the S2000 could be after 10-15 years of tweaks?
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Old May 12, 2005 | 05:41 PM
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TOV is just another forum like this one. It's all bologne
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Old May 12, 2005 | 05:50 PM
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This tidbit is clearly labled as "rumors and projections." However, TOV have full press credentials, get demos from Honda North America, invited to events, etc. Not to say this rumor is true, but TOV is not exactly "just another forum."
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Old May 12, 2005 | 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by PilotKD,May 4 2005, 08:31 PM
You want an S3000, buy a 350Z Roadster. It''ll be a big fat pig and weigh over 3000lb, which defeats the purpose of this car. It's pretty heavy as it is now at 2800+.

There are people that will always want more. Honda could put 400hp in this thing and after a few people kill themselves and the dust settles, there will be people 4-5 years later that'll want 500hp because they're getting bored.

I don't want a V6 or factory forced induction and for God sakes, I definitely don't want an outside temp gauge. That's pretty assanine. What I would like to see is an S2000 that weighs about 2500-2600lb instead of 2800+ and maybe another 15-20 normally aspirated hp.
I already own a 350Z so what is your point? If you want to stagnate and keep the car the same that is fine with me but if that was the case. Cars would never improve and never get better, it is a great car but there has to be a point where you have to move on to better things. I am sure Honda can design a better car than the S2000 it might not be for YOU but I am sure it will be better.

inline 5 banger volvo
inline 6 banger 2.5 L the rb26de Nissan's Skyline motor is a good example

Nissan almost went bankrupt because of that reason they fell into a rut and did not want to change with every one else or make waves and bring out something new. You have to change with the times or you will be left behind.
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Old May 12, 2005 | 07:20 PM
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from waht i know, it is going to be discontinued.
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Old May 12, 2005 | 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by twelv,May 12 2005, 06:14 PM
I already own a 350Z so what is your point? If you want to stagnate and keep the car the same that is fine with me but if that was the case. Cars would never improve and never get better, it is a great car but there has to be a point where you have to move on to better things. I am sure Honda can design a better car than the S2000 it might not be for YOU but I am sure it will be better.

inline 5 banger volvo
inline 6 banger 2.5 L the rb26de Nissan's Skyline motor is a good example

Nissan almost went bankrupt because of that reason they fell into a rut and did not want to change with every one else or make waves and bring out something new. You have to change with the times or you will be left behind.
The S2000 was supposed to have been a limited edition but then changed to a limited production due to it's huge success unlike it's predecessors the S500, S600 and S800 which was not as a successful. I think that Honda is just trying to squeeze as much out of the S2000 as they can. I personally am hoping they will discontinue it. As far as moving on to better things, take a look at the Pilot, Ridgeline and Acura's they have now. (By the way, the Acura name brand is only here in the U.S.) Honda's company principle "Maintaining a global viewpoint, we are dedicated to supplying products of the highest quality yet at a reasonable price for worldwide customer satisfaction." (http://world.honda.com/profile/philosophy/) taken from their website. The reason I wrote that is that I don't think that Honda will ever be where Nissan was in the 90's.

Sure I wish that they had put in alot of other options in our S2k's but that would have put the price well above 35k to 40k. Personally I think that Honda created our S2k for the consumers that made them who they are. The consumers who bought the CVCC's, Accord's and Civic's because they believed in Honda when Honda was only known as a small japanese company that makes lawn mowers and motorcycles back in the early 70's. I think that Honda wanted to give those consumers a car they can afford (compared to a porsche boxter or Z3 which where thousands of dollars more new back in 2000) at $31k in 2000 which gave the consumer an expensive sports car feel, look and performance but with Honda's reliability.

Just my 2 cents

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For those who read this and think what success? When the S2000 came out in late 1999 (for the 2000 year) dealer's found a gold mine and was charging buyers more than what MSRP was. I've spoken to people who easily paid more than $5k more than MSRP and still had to wait for more than 6 months before they took delivery of their S2k's. Did Honda raise the price when they knew that dealer's we're charging more than MSRP? No, they didn't. So that's why I believe our S2k's were successful. Can you tell I still love my S2000?
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Old May 13, 2005 | 05:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Ishift@9,May 5 2005, 11:52 AM
More respectable, I could see that...more reliable, Im not so sure about. Since Ive been on this site for like 2 days Ive seen more posts about problems with this car than I have seen about the SRT in the total time I owned the SRT. The SRT's motor and driveline are near bulletproof.

But to justify 'to each his own', reliability really resides with the operator of the car.

Take a bunch of punk kids who get the SRT and mod it without knowing how to and they eventually blow something up or post about problems that could have been avoided if they had the know how. With the S its a little different...this car isnt in the price range that those same kids can afford, so then you have to blame the supposed mature group for needlessly abusing the car.

and although the rev band of the S is pretty cool, its just as much fun to shift at 6 grand with the turbo singing.
The S2000 will have better odds of being more reliable than your SRT4 was. import > domestic. that's a simple fact.

the problem when you get into the reliability debate, is no one thinks statistically. they only go off personal experience and "oh i had this car that did that" or "i know someone who's car did this". etc, etc.

statistically, you are at a FAR better chance of getting a reliable car in an import than a domestic. If you look at the mechanical problems per capita, the percentage is way in the import's favor.

if someone said to you:
here you can buy 1 of 2 lottery tickets. the first one gives you a 1:100 chance of winning a million dollars. the second one gives you 1:1000 chance in winning a million dollars. which one are you going to buy?

this shows that you can get "winners" from domestics, but your chances of getting a "winner" from an import is far greater.

google edward w. deming if you want to learn more about the quality controls and tolerances that imports use vs domestics. domestic manufacturers openly admit they'd rather build the parts as cheap as possible and simply warranty the part, rather than build it right in the first place.
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Old May 13, 2005 | 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Wisconsin S2k,May 13 2005, 07:36 AM
if someone said to you:
here you can buy 1 of 2 lottery tickets. the first one gives you a 1:100 chance of winning a million dollars. the second one gives you 1:1000 chance in winning a million dollars. which one are you going to buy?

this shows that you can get "winners" from domestics, but your chances of getting a "winner" from an import is far greater.
that's a good way to put it.
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