06 s2k crash fatality
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I just rewatched the video and it does not look like the airbags deployed. The Pass dash looks like it is in good condition, but still wondering if they were wearing their seat belts.
As for the whole tire discussion, I have seen more tread on racing tires, those look like drag slicks!
I feel for their families, hopefully something possitive can come from this loss.
As for the whole tire discussion, I have seen more tread on racing tires, those look like drag slicks!
I feel for their families, hopefully something possitive can come from this loss.
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This is the 2nd VSA-enabled S2000 crash I've seen.
Makes me wonder if VSA is a handicap to some unskilled drivers who use it as a crutch and never learn the limits of the car... until it really bites them.
At least without VSA, the car will let you know when you're being a little bit stupid... before you're a lot stupid.
If I was too cheap to buy tires regularly, I'd get some 400 treadwear rated tires. You can't have it both ways.
Makes me wonder if VSA is a handicap to some unskilled drivers who use it as a crutch and never learn the limits of the car... until it really bites them.
At least without VSA, the car will let you know when you're being a little bit stupid... before you're a lot stupid.
If I was too cheap to buy tires regularly, I'd get some 400 treadwear rated tires. You can't have it both ways.
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Originally Posted by mikegarrison' date='Jan 13 2009, 02:19 PM
No, I'm not ignoring it. I just didn't spell it out for you, because I thought you were following along.
Basically, hitting an immoveable object at X mph is the same as two identical objects coming together when EACH are moving together at X mph. So hitting an immoveable object at a given speed is the same as hitting another car at twice that closing speed. Yes, there is twice as much energy in the two car collision, but it's being spread over two cars instead of one. If a wall is really immoveable, then it's not absorbing any of the energy.
Your argument that the two car collision is worse is still wrong. The 70 mph collision with a wall puts as much energy into the car as a 70 mph (each) headon. Even the web page you quoted agreed with me, not with you. But I guess you didn't notice this.
In any event, hitting either a wall or an oncoming car at 70 mph is bad juju, which I know form unfortunate personal experience.
Basically, hitting an immoveable object at X mph is the same as two identical objects coming together when EACH are moving together at X mph. So hitting an immoveable object at a given speed is the same as hitting another car at twice that closing speed. Yes, there is twice as much energy in the two car collision, but it's being spread over two cars instead of one. If a wall is really immoveable, then it's not absorbing any of the energy.
Your argument that the two car collision is worse is still wrong. The 70 mph collision with a wall puts as much energy into the car as a 70 mph (each) headon. Even the web page you quoted agreed with me, not with you. But I guess you didn't notice this.
In any event, hitting either a wall or an oncoming car at 70 mph is bad juju, which I know form unfortunate personal experience.
Last time I checked, an S2000 and a pickup truck aren't equal in mass. The truck transfers more energy into the S2000 than a wall would, which is why the car looks so bad.
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From: Pt Charlotte South Wst FL
Originally Posted by ncsu-tc' date='Jan 13 2009, 07:30 PM
I just rewatched the video and it does not look like the airbags deployed. The Pass dash looks like it is in good condition, but still wondering if they were wearing their seat belts.
As for the whole tire discussion, I have seen more tread on racing tires, those look like drag slicks!
I feel for their families, hopefully something possitive can come from this loss.
As for the whole tire discussion, I have seen more tread on racing tires, those look like drag slicks!
I feel for their families, hopefully something possitive can come from this loss.
