06 s2k crash fatality
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From: City of Baked Beans
Originally Posted by InterHat' date='Jan 13 2009, 04:04 PM
Makes me glad I have 255's on the rear and 215's on the front...
I made a vow to myself to not run my 2nd pair of wheels until I changed the balding rears. I'm currently on my stock ap1s with fresh Yoko AVS ES 100 in the fronts and Toyo Proxys R1 on the rears.
My condolences to the the families of the victims.
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Originally Posted by mikegarrison' date='Jan 13 2009, 05:19 PM
Basically, hitting an immoveable object at X mph is the same as two identical objects coming together when EACH are moving together at X mph. So hitting an immoveable object at a given speed is the same as hitting another car at twice that closing speed. Yes, there is twice as much energy in the two car collision, but it's being spread over two cars instead of one. If a wall is really immoveable, then it's not absorbing any of the energy.
Your argument that the two car collision is worse is still wrong. The 70 mph collision with a wall puts as much energy into the car as a 70 mph (each) headon. Even the web page you quoted agreed with me, not with you. But I guess you didn't notice this.
Your argument that the two car collision is worse is still wrong. The 70 mph collision with a wall puts as much energy into the car as a 70 mph (each) headon. Even the web page you quoted agreed with me, not with you. But I guess you didn't notice this.
i'm not entirely sure why i'm feeling the need to nitpick with you on this but since you're game, i'm game 
first, the assumptions made in the article were:
-wall is completely immovable
-two objects in the head on collision are exactly the same
in the real world
-wall is not completely immovable, absorbs some of the energy
-the truck is a hell of a lot more massive than the s2000
In case A, there is only one car moving, so the energy released during the collision is K. In case B, however, there are two cars moving, so the total energy released during the collision is 2K. So the crash in case B is clearly more energetic than the case A crash
however, in our real world case there's even more energy coming from the truck as it is more massive. thus, there is 2k + energy split i believe unevenly (more applied to the S) in the real world situation of hitting the truck. in addition to this, the wall DOES absorb some of the energy in a real world crash, so the energy released on the S is < K by some unknown quantity in that case.
the article only agreed with you in so far as this statement at the end (i'm assuming this is what you're referencing):
In answer to Anton's original theory, therefore, I believe that he's basically correct. His hypothetical passenger would not be able to tell any difference whether he was colliding with a static, unbreakable wall or with his exact mirror twin.
However, when viewing the total system, the collision in case B releases twice as much energy as the case A collision. It's louder, hotter, and likely messier. In all likelihood, the cars have fused into each other, pieces flying off in random directions.
disclaimer: I'm enjoying arguing about this, and i don't mean to come off as condescending or anything.
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My deepest condolences to Arnoldo's family.
I knew Arnoldo, he was a customer of mine. I'm still trying to accept that this has happened. I'm pretty shook up about this..
TRULY a sad day for me and everyone who knew Arnoldo.
PLEASE everyone, BE CAREFUL!
I knew Arnoldo, he was a customer of mine. I'm still trying to accept that this has happened. I'm pretty shook up about this..
TRULY a sad day for me and everyone who knew Arnoldo.
PLEASE everyone, BE CAREFUL!
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Originally Posted by CKit' date='Jan 14 2009, 08:04 AM
This is the 2nd VSA-enabled S2000 crash I've seen.
Makes me wonder if VSA is a handicap to some unskilled drivers who use it as a crutch and never learn the limits of the car... until it really bites them.
At least without VSA, the car will let you know when you're being a little bit stupid... before you're a lot stupid.
If I was too cheap to buy tires regularly, I'd get some 400 treadwear rated tires. You can't have it both ways.
Makes me wonder if VSA is a handicap to some unskilled drivers who use it as a crutch and never learn the limits of the car... until it really bites them.
At least without VSA, the car will let you know when you're being a little bit stupid... before you're a lot stupid.
If I was too cheap to buy tires regularly, I'd get some 400 treadwear rated tires. You can't have it both ways.
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Very sad. Kind of ridiculous at the comments posted on that sight. Stupid for trying to pass up another car by crossing lanes, YES, but no one deserves death in that situation. My condolences go out to the families and friends as I know the feeling of losing a loved one as I'm sure most have felt. RIP.
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Originally Posted by Stealth_SUX_' date='Jan 13 2009, 02:07 PM
http://www.modbee.com/local/story/554057.html
watch the vid (look at rear tires)
basically both guys died, first one died on impact and the other at the hostpital.
They were driving and supposably passing up slower cars, when he lost control and spun around and the truck hit them.
Please guys change ur tires. As you can see his were bald and even VSA cant save bald tires.!!!!!!
watch the vid (look at rear tires)
basically both guys died, first one died on impact and the other at the hostpital.
They were driving and supposably passing up slower cars, when he lost control and spun around and the truck hit them.
Please guys change ur tires. As you can see his were bald and even VSA cant save bald tires.!!!!!!
), you deserve what happens as a result of your negligence.This wasn't an accident-this was a stupid driver, acting & driving stupidly.
I have zero sympathy for him.
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Originally Posted by zdave87' date='Jan 14 2009, 03:25 PM
If you fail to take proper care of your vehicle (just look at those bald tires in video ), you deserve what happens as a result of your negligence.
This wasn't an accident-this was a stupid driver, acting & driving stupidly.
I have zero sympathy for him.
), you deserve what happens as a result of your negligence.This wasn't an accident-this was a stupid driver, acting & driving stupidly.
I have zero sympathy for him.
Seemed to me that the ground was wet, which is pretty good cause of loss of traction with bald tires.
Negligent on the tires, NO. He actually called me last week looking to pick up tires.
In a situation like this, i think you should've kept your opinions to yourself.
I'd prefer to keep any bickering to PM, this thread is not the place. Have some respect.
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Originally Posted by J'sBlackAP1' date='Jan 14 2009, 07:02 PM
Yeah, because you were there, and know he was driving recklessly. Passing a car is not a reckless move.
Seemed to me that the ground was wet, which is pretty good cause of loss of traction with bald tires.
Negligent on the tires, NO. He actually called me last week looking to pick up tires.
In a situation like this, i think you should've kept your opinions to yourself.
I'd prefer to keep any bickering to PM, this thread is not the place. Have some respect.
Seemed to me that the ground was wet, which is pretty good cause of loss of traction with bald tires.
Negligent on the tires, NO. He actually called me last week looking to pick up tires.
In a situation like this, i think you should've kept your opinions to yourself.
I'd prefer to keep any bickering to PM, this thread is not the place. Have some respect.
Why should I have respect for this guy, when he clearly put himself, his passenger and other drivers at risk?
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It was a mistake, that all of us are known to make. In this case it was a fatal mistake. I just wish everyone could keep their opinions to themselves.
I'm sure it doesn't bother you as much as me, since i know the person who died, and you've never met him in your life....
He was a good kid, he never drove recklessly around me.
Rest in peace Arnoldo.
I'm sure it doesn't bother you as much as me, since i know the person who died, and you've never met him in your life....
He was a good kid, he never drove recklessly around me.
Rest in peace Arnoldo.