06 s2k crash fatality
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Eyouch! Jeez, poor guy :/ I'm not going to pass judgement on him as a person because yes, it was a stupid decision... but making a stupid decision doesn't always justify the loss of your life and erase tragedy from it. I may be a borderline sociopath, but that isn't lost on me...
My 00 doesn't have any VSC or anything on it (duh), and I've never driven on bald tires, however I have driven on summer tires with about 60% tread in driving rain before and haven't ever spun out. I never wanted to risk it. The first time I drove it in the rain, I found a long, wide stretch of road and decided to see how it would take it if I carried it to 8k and then shifted hard... no traction at all, and that's when it had brand new OEM tires. I just made a mental note to drive like I was carrying a faberge egg with me whenever the ground was wet.
My 00 doesn't have any VSC or anything on it (duh), and I've never driven on bald tires, however I have driven on summer tires with about 60% tread in driving rain before and haven't ever spun out. I never wanted to risk it. The first time I drove it in the rain, I found a long, wide stretch of road and decided to see how it would take it if I carried it to 8k and then shifted hard... no traction at all, and that's when it had brand new OEM tires. I just made a mental note to drive like I was carrying a faberge egg with me whenever the ground was wet.
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Originally Posted by WestSideBilly' date='Jan 15 2009, 01:49 AM
He's not alone.
Calling this an accident implies it was out of the driver's hands, or that it was unexpected. Accelerating on bald tires on a wet surface is very likely to create wheelspin, and in turn a situation with excessive yaw. Like Dave, I feel sorry for the passenger and the driver of the pickup, but the driver of the S2000 is 100% to blame for his own death.
Calling this an accident implies it was out of the driver's hands, or that it was unexpected. Accelerating on bald tires on a wet surface is very likely to create wheelspin, and in turn a situation with excessive yaw. Like Dave, I feel sorry for the passenger and the driver of the pickup, but the driver of the S2000 is 100% to blame for his own death.
He's not alone on this. Nobody is perfect to follow the rules all the time. I broke rules almost every time I drive. However, not all rules are the same. I don't break cardinal rule. Like speeding with bald tires in the wet or driving while under the influence. These are not the same as not stopping completely at the stop sign.
I guess I have a different understanding of
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Originally Posted by tristan_s' date='Jan 15 2009, 04:20 AM
The first time I drove it in the rain, I found a long, wide stretch of road and decided to see how it would take it if I carried it to 8k and then shifted hard... no traction at all, and that's when it had brand new OEM tires. I just made a mental note to drive like I was carrying a faberge egg with me whenever the ground was wet.
The S2 will do what you tell it to, and it sounds like these guys got both the time and place wrong with their requests...tragic all around.
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Originally Posted by Luckyaze' date='Jan 14 2009, 04:36 PM
What does having 255 rear and 215 front tires have anything to do with it? You think wider is better in the rain? I rather have 205 winter tires with full tread than 255 balding or high performance tires in wet condition. There a reason tires come with our car called high performance summer not winter.
Also, I don't mean to offend anyone with this but some of us blame this all on the tires being bald. If I get caught speeding then should I blame the car for being too fast?
Also, I don't mean to offend anyone with this but some of us blame this all on the tires being bald. If I get caught speeding then should I blame the car for being too fast?
But yeah... speeding is bad as it upsetting the balance of the car in any manner when in poor conditions.
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Driving on bald tires is bad, and driving aggressively on bald tires is even worst. New tires are peanuts/doritos when you consider what they save, in damage or life.
100% sure VSA was not turned off, don't know.
LOL at the guys arguing Newton's Laws.
100% sure VSA was not turned off, don't know.
LOL at the guys arguing Newton's Laws.
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Originally Posted by WestSideBilly' date='Jan 15 2009, 11:22 AM
Bad analogy. If you had a family history of heart problems, yet maintained a diet and lifestyle that left you out of shape and overweight, would having a heart attack really be "accidental" ? Maybe it would have happened anyway, but it's entirely possible to mitigate the risks. The same is true here; faulty equipment and a few bad decisions resulted in 2 dead young men. I'm not jumping for joy that the driver died, but the blood is on his own hands, so to speak.
I've watched the video a few times and I don't see the slightest bit of tread on the rear tires.
I've watched the video a few times and I don't see the slightest bit of tread on the rear tires.
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Originally Posted by Luckyaze' date='Jan 15 2009, 06:31 AM
He's not alone on this. Nobody is perfect to follow the rules all the time. I broke rules almost every time I drive. However, not all rules are the same. I don't break cardinal rule. Like speeding with bald tires in the wet or driving while under the influence. These are not the same as not stopping completely at the stop sign. 
Wait a sec, if one fails to stop at a a Stop sign he or she is not breaking a cardinal rule, but oh hell to the him or her if they speed on bald tires??? Both actions are dumb and both actions have caused accidents, injuries and deaths...so again