1st stick shift car!
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How big are your feet, and how tall are you?
If you're taller, you might have more luck revmatching "german style".
THe japanese vids generally show actual "heel and toe" downshifting. The ball of the foot is on the brakes, and the heel turns sideways and depresses the gas pedal.
My feet are too big for that, or my leg doesnt like bending that way, or something.
What I do is brake with the ball of my left foot, and use the edge of the foot to roll over onto the top of the gas pedal and blip that way. It requires big feet, or gas pedal that is very close to the brake. I like to adjust mine to be about half an inch apart, give or take.
S2k doesnt seem to have adjustable pedals though, so its kind if a PITA. The gas pedal is too far away for my preference, but I get by. -_-
How big are your feet, and how tall are you?
If you're taller, you might have more luck revmatching "german style".
THe japanese vids generally show actual "heel and toe" downshifting. The ball of the foot is on the brakes, and the heel turns sideways and depresses the gas pedal.
My feet are too big for that, or my leg doesnt like bending that way, or something.
What I do is brake with the ball of my left foot, and use the edge of the foot to roll over onto the top of the gas pedal and blip that way. It requires big feet, or gas pedal that is very close to the brake. I like to adjust mine to be about half an inch apart, give or take.
S2k doesnt seem to have adjustable pedals though, so its kind if a PITA. The gas pedal is too far away for my preference, but I get by. -_-
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Originally Posted by eisenfaust,Aug 20 2007, 09:59 PM
Lightly clutch in and slip into the next lowest gear.
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Originally Posted by eisenfaust,Aug 20 2007, 10:05 PM
If you rev match with the clutch pedal depressed in such a manner that the friction disc is still rubbing against the flywheel and pressure plate, you will put undue wear on the disc. This is the same as slipping your clutch off the line.
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Originally Posted by RACER,Aug 20 2007, 10:15 PM
I think he meant along the line of a rural highway, or busy street/freeway 
4,500 revs is not a whole lot in an AP1. When your talking the 4-3 shift from 60 mph, were talking a 1,500 rpm difference, not a wide margin. 8k is a little bit high to need to rev to, to make the 4-3 downshift from 60 mph.
If you were doing 80 in 4th, you would most definately need to rev the engine to 8k rpms upon completion of the 4-3 downshift from 80 mph. I would simply mash on the throttle and perform the downshift very quickly. No need to rev the motor to 9k when mechanically the motor only needs to be at 8k rpm's unless your really abusing the car
The only time I would blip above the needed revs would be a situation like this: I'm cruising along at 40 mph in fourth gear (3k rpm's) and I want more power (approaching a hill) I rev the motor up to 4,200-4,500 rev's and let it slip slightly thus performing a perfectly smooth downchange into 3rd gear. If you rev it a couple of hundred rpms above, it should be enough so that in the amount of time it takes to perform the downshift and let out the clutch pedal, the rev's will have dropped to exactly where they need to be. And if your off by 100 rpm's once in a while, it'e just put a lil more wear on your clutch.
As far as reving to 8k to downshift to 3rd from 60 mph when you need to be at 6k, that's a good way to put wear on your clutch
4,500 revs is not a whole lot in an AP1. When your talking the 4-3 shift from 60 mph, were talking a 1,500 rpm difference, not a wide margin. 8k is a little bit high to need to rev to, to make the 4-3 downshift from 60 mph.
If you were doing 80 in 4th, you would most definately need to rev the engine to 8k rpms upon completion of the 4-3 downshift from 80 mph. I would simply mash on the throttle and perform the downshift very quickly. No need to rev the motor to 9k when mechanically the motor only needs to be at 8k rpm's unless your really abusing the car
The only time I would blip above the needed revs would be a situation like this: I'm cruising along at 40 mph in fourth gear (3k rpm's) and I want more power (approaching a hill) I rev the motor up to 4,200-4,500 rev's and let it slip slightly thus performing a perfectly smooth downchange into 3rd gear. If you rev it a couple of hundred rpms above, it should be enough so that in the amount of time it takes to perform the downshift and let out the clutch pedal, the rev's will have dropped to exactly where they need to be. And if your off by 100 rpm's once in a while, it'e just put a lil more wear on your clutch.
As far as reving to 8k to downshift to 3rd from 60 mph when you need to be at 6k, that's a good way to put wear on your clutch
Since he's learning and he said that by the time he shifts, his "blip" has already returned to idle....
I'm saying: if your 3rd gear target rpm is 6000. Then unless you have instantaneous shifting... you need to blip above that so that as the flywheel decelerates, you shift just as the rpms are coming down to 6000. Voila. Very limited wear on clutch as the shift is done with flywheel @ 6000 rpms and transmission at 6000 rpms.
I have a lightened flywheel so revs climb and fall faster, though.
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Originally Posted by eisenfaust,Aug 20 2007, 10:11 PM
Last point:
How big are your feet, and how tall are you?
If you're taller, you might have more luck revmatching "german style".
THe japanese vids generally show actual "heel and toe" downshifting. The ball of the foot is on the brakes, and the heel turns sideways and depresses the gas pedal.
My feet are too big for that, or my leg doesnt like bending that way, or something.
What I do is brake with the ball of my left foot, and use the edge of the foot to roll over onto the top of the gas pedal and blip that way. It requires big feet, or gas pedal that is very close to the brake. I like to adjust mine to be about half an inch apart, give or take.
S2k doesnt seem to have adjustable pedals though, so its kind if a PITA. The gas pedal is too far away for my preference, but I get by. -_-
How big are your feet, and how tall are you?
If you're taller, you might have more luck revmatching "german style".
THe japanese vids generally show actual "heel and toe" downshifting. The ball of the foot is on the brakes, and the heel turns sideways and depresses the gas pedal.
My feet are too big for that, or my leg doesnt like bending that way, or something.
What I do is brake with the ball of my left foot, and use the edge of the foot to roll over onto the top of the gas pedal and blip that way. It requires big feet, or gas pedal that is very close to the brake. I like to adjust mine to be about half an inch apart, give or take.
S2k doesnt seem to have adjustable pedals though, so its kind if a PITA. The gas pedal is too far away for my preference, but I get by. -_-
i also feel that the brake and gas pedals are a bit too far apart. i saw some threads that talk about adjusting the gas pedal position...haven't looked into it too much, but i will later. also i'm going to look into adjusting the clutch pedal position so i don't have to sit so far up!! (although sitting close up does give more of a race car feel
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Originally Posted by CKit,Aug 20 2007, 10:24 PM
Since he's learning and he said that by the time he shifts, his "blip" has already returned to idle....
i'm not shifting THAT slow, but yes, i understand your point exactly. i do get a slight jerk when i try to rev-match and my throttle blip was not quite enough. i'm thinking i should try to "over rev" by 500-1000 rpm, so i have some more time while the rpm drops to the appropriately matched speed. one of my friends adviced me to time my up shifts so that when i'm shifting into the next gear, the rpm has dropped to the appropriate speed for the next gear. i guess this achieves some sort of rev matching while up shifting.
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[QUOTE=CKit,Aug 20 2007, 11:24 PM]I'm saying: if your 3rd gear target rpm is 6000, you need to blip above that so that as the flywheel decelerates, you shift just as the rpms are coming down to 6000.
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Originally Posted by S2-3456789-K,Aug 20 2007, 10:17 PM
i've noticed that my clutch engagement is around 3-4 inches off the floor. is it neccessary to punch the clutch all the way to the floor?? i can see why it's safer this way because it gives a reference to where the engagement point is i guess.
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so if you rev match with the clutch all the way in (to the floor), there's no friction plate wear right? do people actually slip the clutch when rev matching?! doesn't make sense to me
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so if you rev match with the clutch all the way in (to the floor), there's no friction plate wear right? do people actually slip the clutch when rev matching?! doesn't make sense to me
The clutch is an analog device, it isnt an on-off switch. Its almost fully disengaged after a few inches of travel. Disengaged enough to downshift at least.
For me, one of the benefits of double clutching is that I barely need to push the clutch pedal. Its the lightest of taps, just enough to allow the lever to select the next gear effortlessly. You *will* know when you get it right, it feels like the gear lever is being pulled by magnets into its slot.
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There will always be some wear. Cant help it. Its a RWD car, dont sweat it.