2002 Corvette vs. S2000
Most of my issues are a result of incompetent service rather than build quality. The 1-2 grind issue was one problem, the leather shrinking and pulling away from the center console arm rest another.
The scratched valve cover, the broken ABS wiring, the engine not being secured to its mounts and the resulting engine rattle and leaking transmission input seal and contaminated clutch disk are all the result of the handywork employed by Honda Certified Technicians and the Honda dealer service network.
I'm not saying GM service is better but that last I remember my former GM left the service department with fewer problems than when I brought it in; so far the opposite has been true with Honda service. All in all I've lost the use of my car for 2 weeks (soon to be 3 when I take it in the get the transmission fixed) over the past 2 years. My GM had a broken radiator, misaligned dashboard, squeaking suspension bushings and an immobilizer that would immobilize at inconvenient times over a period of 3 years. Total downtime on the GM was less than a week. Both the S2000 and my former car were brand new designs in their first model year but the GM product was 1/2 the price ($24K CAD vs $48K CAD for the S2000).
I don't see the huge difference here. The GM had a couple more problems but they were minor and didn't effect my possession time much compared to the issues I have had with the Honda. Also I was provided a no-charge rental for the time my GM was in the shop without even asking for it while Honda is only prepared to drop me at the closest bus stop without fare.
I'm not taking sides and I wouldn't trade old for new but a small dose or reality seems appropriate. To my GM dealer I was an anonymous nobody but my Honda service dept can recognise the sound of my voice on the phone. I'm sure it's not due to courtesy..
The scratched valve cover, the broken ABS wiring, the engine not being secured to its mounts and the resulting engine rattle and leaking transmission input seal and contaminated clutch disk are all the result of the handywork employed by Honda Certified Technicians and the Honda dealer service network.
I'm not saying GM service is better but that last I remember my former GM left the service department with fewer problems than when I brought it in; so far the opposite has been true with Honda service. All in all I've lost the use of my car for 2 weeks (soon to be 3 when I take it in the get the transmission fixed) over the past 2 years. My GM had a broken radiator, misaligned dashboard, squeaking suspension bushings and an immobilizer that would immobilize at inconvenient times over a period of 3 years. Total downtime on the GM was less than a week. Both the S2000 and my former car were brand new designs in their first model year but the GM product was 1/2 the price ($24K CAD vs $48K CAD for the S2000).
I don't see the huge difference here. The GM had a couple more problems but they were minor and didn't effect my possession time much compared to the issues I have had with the Honda. Also I was provided a no-charge rental for the time my GM was in the shop without even asking for it while Honda is only prepared to drop me at the closest bus stop without fare.
I'm not taking sides and I wouldn't trade old for new but a small dose or reality seems appropriate. To my GM dealer I was an anonymous nobody but my Honda service dept can recognise the sound of my voice on the phone. I'm sure it's not due to courtesy..
Originally posted by cdelena
Guess you have not had a S2000 for long. A good number of them spend a lot of time in the shop and have chronic ailments no different than Corvettes.
Guess you have not had a S2000 for long. A good number of them spend a lot of time in the shop and have chronic ailments no different than Corvettes.
Radster: Watch out what you ask for? I think I can say without (much?) controversy that a 2002 ZO6 would eat your lunch, and ask about dinner! As has been pointed out they are apples and oranges! The 405HP the new ZO6 offers up is awesome, but where the hell can you use it? So far as the quality issue goes, a trip to ZO6 Vett .com will tell you as much as you want to know. Good and bad. The car does cost 50K and the S2K 32K, so to me it's a bang for the buck thing. I haven't committed to the S2K yet, but I am pretty close. I do like that ZO6, but 50K.... I don't think it's in the cards yet. Maybe the C6 in a couple of years. For me the S2K is the definition, and essence, of what a sportscar should be.
I presently have four vettes sitting out in the garage. A '62 feulie, a '65 365hp, '79, and a 94 ZR1. The S2000 was chosen as my daily driver because of one major difference - it has a power top. The 'vette does not. (Hasn't had that option since '62). I do not like the present body style of the Corvette. The S2000 wins hands down in style.
Also the price difference is a major factor. I bought it with the intention of a 'no care' attitude if it got dings in the parking lot. (a relatively inexpensive car for what you get) However, the first 'scratch' someone put on it brought about just as much anger... so much for that.
They are totally different cars. The vette doesn't get 24 - 27mpg either. And I get real tired of spending times in the gas station...nor does it use regular gas. They both have their strong points... but for the price difference and consideration as a daily driver, I'll keep the S2000.
John N
Also the price difference is a major factor. I bought it with the intention of a 'no care' attitude if it got dings in the parking lot. (a relatively inexpensive car for what you get) However, the first 'scratch' someone put on it brought about just as much anger... so much for that.
They are totally different cars. The vette doesn't get 24 - 27mpg either. And I get real tired of spending times in the gas station...nor does it use regular gas. They both have their strong points... but for the price difference and consideration as a daily driver, I'll keep the S2000.
John N
Originally posted by cdelena
I run with a couple of guys at the track that have Z06's so I have experience. I'll take any bet against you on a curvy road.. sorry you don't know what you are talking about.. you will be blown away by the Z06. BTW, neither of those guys have had as many out of service days or nagging problems as I have.
Including the Dragon which I have driven.
I run with a couple of guys at the track that have Z06's so I have experience. I'll take any bet against you on a curvy road.. sorry you don't know what you are talking about.. you will be blown away by the Z06. BTW, neither of those guys have had as many out of service days or nagging problems as I have.
Including the Dragon which I have driven.
My 1999 Corvette Coupe was only out of service 1/2 day in 16 months of ownership... it was to have a glass specialist buff the glass to remove some residue encountered in shipping...
My 2000 S2000 was out of service for approximately a week total for various things including the clutch update, water pump failure, auto-down feature working intermittently.
The S2000 also had rattles that could never really be isolated. In addition, my taillights would leak water in during a car wash and during the winter months I noticed the area under the toolkit was damp... no real "cure" for those (in other words, the problem couldn't be traced). The car was also out of service to get the rear window replaced, but I will not complain about that one because its not something Honda was obligated to do.
the Vette was my first GM car and likely the only one I'd ever buy again. The S2000 was my first Honda (personally owned). My family has owned a few throughout the years and always loved them. I truly enjoyed the S2000 but wouldn't venture out and say that the Vette was typical GM. If anything, the Vette was very UNTYPICAL GM and the Honda was very UNTYPICAL Honda.
Radster,
sorry... I'm with cdelena on this one... the Z06 would rip you a new one... but for 50k, it should... this is of course with a competent driver. I certainly don't expect my grandmother to drive a Z06 and beat you
incidentally, the Corvette does have the highest initial build quality for sports cars(what a useless statistic) according to JD Power... Frankly, I'd like to know the quality 5 years down the road.
My 2000 S2000 was out of service for approximately a week total for various things including the clutch update, water pump failure, auto-down feature working intermittently.
The S2000 also had rattles that could never really be isolated. In addition, my taillights would leak water in during a car wash and during the winter months I noticed the area under the toolkit was damp... no real "cure" for those (in other words, the problem couldn't be traced). The car was also out of service to get the rear window replaced, but I will not complain about that one because its not something Honda was obligated to do.
the Vette was my first GM car and likely the only one I'd ever buy again. The S2000 was my first Honda (personally owned). My family has owned a few throughout the years and always loved them. I truly enjoyed the S2000 but wouldn't venture out and say that the Vette was typical GM. If anything, the Vette was very UNTYPICAL GM and the Honda was very UNTYPICAL Honda.
Radster,
sorry... I'm with cdelena on this one... the Z06 would rip you a new one... but for 50k, it should... this is of course with a competent driver. I certainly don't expect my grandmother to drive a Z06 and beat you

incidentally, the Corvette does have the highest initial build quality for sports cars(what a useless statistic) according to JD Power... Frankly, I'd like to know the quality 5 years down the road.



