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Old Oct 10, 2012 | 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by alanpikku
If you can't even control a s2k at low speeds making a right turn, you should buy another car or take driving lessons. Not to be a ass, but you are going to end up killing yourself or someone else since you can't even correct a slight over steer on stock power levels. If you really want a s2000, than I recommend going to an abandoned airstrip and induce over steer at higher speeds and learn to counter while easing on the throttle.
"Slight oversteer?" Have you done what he did recently? He wrongfully made an assumption that the car had traction control and threw the car well beyond its limits. No one is arguing that, but saying that something like that should be easy to recover from is ridiculous. Even very good drivers can find themselves caught out by this car. In this case, I feel the deficiencies lie in judgement, rather than ability, and it sounds like the OP agrees.

Amount of power has very little to do with the kind of snap-back oversteer he experienced. It's much more about chassis and suspension setup.
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Old Oct 10, 2012 | 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by blasphemy101
Originally Posted by alanpikku' timestamp='1349840144' post='22071350
If you can't even control a s2k at low speeds making a right turn, you should buy another car or take driving lessons. Not to be a ass, but you are going to end up killing yourself or someone else since you can't even correct a slight over steer on stock power levels. If you really want a s2000, than I recommend going to an abandoned airstrip and induce over steer at higher speeds and learn to counter while easing on the throttle.
"Slight oversteer?" Have you done what he did recently? He wrongfully made an assumption that the car had traction control and threw the car well beyond its limits. No one is arguing that, but saying that something like that should be easy to recover from is ridiculous. Even very good drivers can find themselves caught out by this car. In this case, I feel the deficiencies lie in judgement, rather than ability, and it sounds like the OP agrees.

Amount of power has very little to do with the kind of snap-back oversteer he experienced. It's much more about chassis and suspension setup.
I have, plenty of times. I use to drift my 240sx and induce over steer on purpose. There have been plenty of times where I took fast corners on the street and regained control because I don't let off and counter. Like I said, learn how to drive. I NEVER once spun my car out and I make 500 whp, I don't baby it either. Another of his mistakes was flooring it through mid turn, which you never do. Snap over steer is just a term made up by inexperienced drivers who want to blame it on their vehicle. Just saying the OP should consider another car for his safety and others around him.
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Old Oct 10, 2012 | 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by alanpikku
I have, plenty of times. I use to drift my 240sx and induce over steer on purpose. There have been plenty of times where I took fast corners on the street and regained control because I don't let off and counter. Like I said, learn how to drive. I NEVER once spun my car out and I make 500 whp, I don't baby it either. Another of his mistakes was flooring it through mid turn, which you never do. Snap over steer is just a term made up by inexperienced drivers who want to blame it on their vehicle. Just saying the OP should consider another car for his safety and others around him.
Maybe I came off harshly. I'm not trying to argue with you. Intentional drifting, with the mindset that the car is going to require a high level of control is different than what the OP did. Telling him to look at a different car is unfair, though. He had a lapse of judgment and made an assumption about the car that he shouldn't have. The car's behavior caught him off guard as a result of his lack of judgement. It's not fair to compare his abilities handling a car his first time in the drivers seat to your proficiency with a car you own.

Snap oversteer is a term; it wasn't made up as an excuse for anyone. It helps to describe a handling characteristic. In well balanced cars, like the S2000, it's much easier to over-correct when trying to countersteer, especially when there's a sudden lift-off from the throttle. You're right that there's nothing magical about it, but the S2000 and other cars like it are more prone to this handling characteristic. Again, in this situation power isn't a huge part of the equation, partly because over-correction is exacerbated by the quick lift of throttle, not the over-application of it.

I'm sure you know all of that already, but I thought I might clarify.

[EDIT] I think you misunderstood what I meant by "what the OP did." I meant mashed the throttle mid-corner with a wildly incorrect assumption about what the car was going to do. Recovering from that kind of mistake is hit-or-miss, even with a good driver.
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Old Oct 11, 2012 | 07:25 AM
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You just have to learn how much throttle to give when going round corners and pulling out on sharp bends. My old 02 honda was a live wire and i wrote it off due to that! My 06 is better to handle but then again is is a rear wheel drive, light, 240bhp car!!
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Old Oct 11, 2012 | 02:16 PM
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Blasphemy101 hit the nail on the head.

I nearly span out my S a couple of times due to my inexperience when I first got the car. It happens. We all start somewhere. When the above poster suggests that he intentionally induces oversteer and drifts, he can't say that before he mastered it he never span out. I've learned from my mistakes, and I'm sure the OP has as well. I bet you it wont happen again.

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