360 HP S2000
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....I still say... 2 more cylinders(inline 6), move the battery to the back, 360hp n.a., would be cool...
Don't forget that 4s have short stiff cranks compared to a straight 6. Straight 6 cranks bend and flex a bit by comparison. Cuz they are long. This is a MAJOR issue which if ignored leads to broken cranks and short bearing life. Boom. In that sense, BMWs new 8000 RPM straight 6 is higher revving than Hondas 9000 RPM four!! In terms of being closer to the actual safe limit of the bottom end. It would be tough to make a straight 6 rev to 9000 safely in a road car but it's not that hard to get a 4 to safely do so. That is one of the reasons why Mercedes and BMW ditched the straight 6s and dropped in the four for the early M3 and its Benz competitor..so that when they raced them as Touring Cars they could rev them like crazy. The stock early M3 engine bottom end is good to 10,000 + supposedly and race versions got up to the 12-13000 range in some series. Straight 6s are smoooooth too.
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Don't forget that 4s have short stiff cranks compared to a straight 6. Straight 6 cranks bend and flex a bit by comparison. Cuz they are long. This is a MAJOR issue which if ignored leads to broken cranks and short bearing life. Boom. In that sense, BMWs new 8000 RPM straight 6 is higher revving than Hondas 9000 RPM four!! In terms of being closer to the actual safe limit of the bottom end. It would be tough to make a straight 6 rev to 9000 safely in a road car but it's not that hard to get a 4 to safely do so. That is one of the reasons why Mercedes and BMW ditched the straight 6s and dropped in the four for the early M3 and its Benz competitor..so that when they raced them as Touring Cars they could rev them like crazy. The stock early M3 engine bottom end is good to 10,000 + supposedly and race versions got up to the 12-13000 range in some series. Straight 6s are smoooooth too.
Stan
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Ferrari 360 has a 3.6L engine and it revs to 11K (2K more than the S2000).
As far as why Honda went with a 4 at 240 HP, the more cylinders you add the more weight you gain. The more HP you have the stronger and consequently heavier the drivetrain, suspension, brakes and chassis all have to be. HP begats weight and weight is the dire enemy of any tru sportscar.
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They could have also used a 120HP 1.0 liter 2 cylinder, and saved a lot of weight. And what's the deal with liquid-cooling? Having to lug all that water around, where ever you go? Does anyone want an air/oil cooled inline twin, putting out ~120hp? No, because everyone thinks 120hp is inadequite. But they like to mock people who think 300hp+ is nice.
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Honda/Acura should just make a car to compete with M3.
NSX is beautiful but all wrong for the current market.
Most people aren't educated enough to appreciate the aluminum body and the handling of the car. They just see a V6 priced at almost twice as much as a M3.
With all those rumors about a NSX super car, I hope they still have plans to mass produce a solid sports car at 55k with around 350HP.
NSX is beautiful but all wrong for the current market.
Most people aren't educated enough to appreciate the aluminum body and the handling of the car. They just see a V6 priced at almost twice as much as a M3.
With all those rumors about a NSX super car, I hope they still have plans to mass produce a solid sports car at 55k with around 350HP.
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Not to be anally-retentive or anything... but...
The Ferrari 360 Modena does not rev to 11,000 rpm. It's max engine speed is listed at 8500rpm (which is the highest engine speed of any stock street Ferrai).
PLUS, that engine is second or third at 111 hp/liter to our S2000's 120 hp/liter (I do believe the new M3 fits in there somewhere too).
Be proud of our engine, it rocks!! (but it will rock even more when my supercharger arrives in a week or two
The Ferrari 360 Modena does not rev to 11,000 rpm. It's max engine speed is listed at 8500rpm (which is the highest engine speed of any stock street Ferrai).
PLUS, that engine is second or third at 111 hp/liter to our S2000's 120 hp/liter (I do believe the new M3 fits in there somewhere too).
Be proud of our engine, it rocks!! (but it will rock even more when my supercharger arrives in a week or two