ap2 upgrade to CR suspension?
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Originally Posted by Elistan,Jul 24 2008, 10:26 AM
Not sure where you read that. CR coilovers are different from AP1 units. (Swaybars too.) It's the steering rack that's the same as the AP1 unit (at least, the ratio of it.)
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Originally Posted by Ks320,Jul 25 2008, 11:22 AM
Here is my take ... and here is one of the main reasons why I returned my KW V3s and installed the CR coilovers instead ...
The adjustability part is basically useless for me, because I have zero knowledge of tuning and poor access to testing environment to tune the coilovers properly.
Trying to adjust something that I cannot adjust properly probably means I'm gonna end up worse ...
The adjustability part is basically useless for me, because I have zero knowledge of tuning and poor access to testing environment to tune the coilovers properly.
Trying to adjust something that I cannot adjust properly probably means I'm gonna end up worse ...
Not to mention that the CR dampers, springs and swaybars are not only designed specifically for the S2000 but also come with a Honda warranty and quality and are relatively cheap.
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I've driven a CR swapped ap2...the suspension was the best "stock" s2k suspension I've ever felt. I was really surprised the change in the handling. It felt razor sharp like an ap1, but felt confident at the limit...even more so than the ap2. And the plus, it won't beat the crap out of your kidneys. I have KW v3 coilovers and I love them...but if you don't want to mess with figuring out the jounce/rebound setting and corner balancing plus want a suspension that isn't going to feel significantly more stiff...then the CR swap is a good out of the box solution.
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Originally Posted by negcamber,Jul 25 2008, 07:19 PM
I've driven a CR swapped ap2...the suspension was the best "stock" s2k suspension I've ever felt. I was really surprised the change in the handling. It felt razor sharp like an ap1, but felt confident at the limit...even more so than the ap2. And the plus, it won't beat the crap out of your kidneys. I have KW v3 coilovers and I love them...but if you don't want to mess with figuring out the jounce/rebound setting and corner balancing plus want a suspension that isn't going to feel significantly more stiff...then the CR swap is a good out of the box solution.
KW V3s are excellent but like you mentioned, they need to be configured and corner balanced etc.
According to the huge suspension test done by Sport Car Compact in which they tested various suspension setups, the KW V3 and CR suspension setups were 6 seconds faster on a ~2:12 course than a stock AP2.
The CR and KW V3s posted virtually identical lap times.
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Originally Posted by vishnus11,Jul 25 2008, 08:53 PM
Thanks for your educated input negcamber. Just confirmed my choice of suspension!
KW V3s are excellent but like you mentioned, they need to be configured and corner balanced etc.
According to the huge suspension test done by Sport Car Compact in which they tested various suspension setups, the KW V3 and CR suspension setups were 6 seconds faster on a ~2:12 course than a stock AP2.
The CR and KW V3s posted virtually identical lap times.
KW V3s are excellent but like you mentioned, they need to be configured and corner balanced etc.
According to the huge suspension test done by Sport Car Compact in which they tested various suspension setups, the KW V3 and CR suspension setups were 6 seconds faster on a ~2:12 course than a stock AP2.
The CR and KW V3s posted virtually identical lap times.
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Originally Posted by Ks320,Jul 25 2008, 09:20 PM
Well, well gap is not cool. But adjustability wins? not really ... it's like trying to tune a high-end hi-fi. Sometimes one can do more harm than good (in the performance) if things aren't tuned properly
Anyway, for me, I actually needed the ground clearnace as well. I do go through steep parking ramps. So setting the KW V3s all the way up there to match stock ride height would be a bit stupid for me.
Nevertheless, if I do track my car a lot, and have the expertise to adjust the coilovers, I would definitely go for the KW V3s. I've pretty much only read good things about them. And they also look more "cool" than my ugly OEM coilovers hehehehe
Anyway, for me, I actually needed the ground clearnace as well. I do go through steep parking ramps. So setting the KW V3s all the way up there to match stock ride height would be a bit stupid for me.
Nevertheless, if I do track my car a lot, and have the expertise to adjust the coilovers, I would definitely go for the KW V3s. I've pretty much only read good things about them. And they also look more "cool" than my ugly OEM coilovers hehehehe
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[QUOTE=a_zepeda926,Jul 25 2008, 11:28 PM] exactly my point... you DONT need to be and expert, set the coilovers to what KW recommends if you do not feel capable of figuring it out for yourself.