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Old Jan 20, 2003 | 03:43 PM
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Originally posted by WhiteRocket
I love this car -->> Cadillac Cien!
750 HP! That's taking engineering in the right direction in a world with increasingly scarce resources. But what else would you expect from General Motors, whose cars have the worst fleet fuel economy in the world (after Chrysler and Ford). And guess which manufacturer has the best fleet economy?

That sucker looks like it weighs about 5,000 pounds, which is probably why it needs 750 horses.
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Old Jan 20, 2003 | 03:54 PM
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by rateds2k
[B]Most people see a vehicle as just a mode of transportation.
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Old Jan 21, 2003 | 05:41 PM
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Originally posted by Rick Hesel


750 HP! That's taking engineering in the right direction in a world with increasingly scarce resources. But what else would you expect from General Motors, whose cars have the worst fleet fuel economy in the world (after Chrysler and Ford).
Rick, is GM's fleet economy worse than BMW? Mercedes? Jaguar? Ferrari, Lamborghini? Do I see anyone complaining about them? Of course, most of those are specialty makers. But then again, the Big Three are in a way specialty makers...they cater to US tastes. Which are presently, alas, SUV-centric. GM has a higher % of cars v trucks than Ford & Chrysler, so I would expect a higher fleet average.

Also, the Cien's mpg is pretty irrelevant as (a) it is a concept car, not a production car and (b) even if made it would be in such small numbers as to have no impact. Just like the above Ferraris, etc.

If one wants to blame someone for the number one factor in low mpg, I'd look at the buyers.

Still, I too would like to see a more engineering resources and company pride allocated to economy & environment rather than just a rather over-the-top hp race.

Shouldn't this be in car talk?
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Old Jan 21, 2003 | 08:02 PM
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Originally posted by WhiteRocket
I love this car -->> Cadillac Cien!
to each his own

looks more like a pixelated murcielago to me

if you watch the videos, it seems like more effort was put into the theatrics of the unveiling than the actual cars
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Old Jan 21, 2003 | 10:58 PM
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I love this car -->> Cadillac Cien!
Somebody needs to show the Cadillac designers how to draw a curved line. Put down the ruler, dammit!
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Old Jan 22, 2003 | 05:44 AM
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by secretvampire
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Old Jan 22, 2003 | 06:11 AM
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by ralper
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This is an interesting thought, but I'm not sure that popular culture has ever been different.
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Old Jan 22, 2003 | 08:54 AM
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I was at the Detroit Auto show and the Caddy was damn sweet. I was very impressed at the exterior and interior. The Rolls Royce was nice as well. And they had two Lambo's. Porsche was rather boring, I hated their SUV, I don't care how fast it goes. Honda didn't have anything new, and toyota was the worst. American automakers took the show I must admit with the Mustang and the Caddy. The mustang was very unique. It looks a lot better in person. I like the front and the interior was nice too. a lot a character. The Chevy SS concept was lame as hell though.
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Old Jan 22, 2003 | 09:33 AM
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Lajster
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Old Jan 22, 2003 | 11:55 AM
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by nastinupe1
[B]I was at the Detroit Auto show and the Caddy was damn sweet.
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