"Bieg's Law"
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Only read about half the posts here, Seems there's a lot of crap to go through to get to some very good points of view.
The one that struck me the most was ralper, saying that people who mod cars are creating a vision of what the car should have been. I like that.
My own caveat is that I'm creating my car as it should have been, except I have a tight budget!
My vision:
A Honda S2000 that looks mostly stock, elegant, agressive and slightly understated, but with a powerplant and a suspension system that would keep me on track with racing bikes.
Hence why I have got Koni shocks, getting a cross brace and fitting a turbo in, but have left the body and wheels as stock looking as possible!
The one that struck me the most was ralper, saying that people who mod cars are creating a vision of what the car should have been. I like that.
My own caveat is that I'm creating my car as it should have been, except I have a tight budget!
My vision:
A Honda S2000 that looks mostly stock, elegant, agressive and slightly understated, but with a powerplant and a suspension system that would keep me on track with racing bikes.
Hence why I have got Koni shocks, getting a cross brace and fitting a turbo in, but have left the body and wheels as stock looking as possible!
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Originally posted by Sunder
Only read about half the posts here, Seems there's a lot of crap to go through to get to some very good points of view.
The one that struck me the most was ralper, saying that people who mod cars are creating a vision of what the car should have been. I like that.
My own caveat is that I'm creating my car as it should have been, except I have a tight budget!
My vision:
A Honda S2000 that looks mostly stock, elegant, agressive and slightly understated, but with a powerplant and a suspension system that would keep me on track with racing bikes.
Hence why I have got Koni shocks, getting a cross brace and fitting a turbo in, but have left the body and wheels as stock looking as possible!
Only read about half the posts here, Seems there's a lot of crap to go through to get to some very good points of view.
The one that struck me the most was ralper, saying that people who mod cars are creating a vision of what the car should have been. I like that.
My own caveat is that I'm creating my car as it should have been, except I have a tight budget!
My vision:
A Honda S2000 that looks mostly stock, elegant, agressive and slightly understated, but with a powerplant and a suspension system that would keep me on track with racing bikes.
Hence why I have got Koni shocks, getting a cross brace and fitting a turbo in, but have left the body and wheels as stock looking as possible!
Yes there was a lot of crap to endure but that seems to have settled down now that most people have gotten it out of their system.
You are building what in the old days (I am dating myself here
) "A Sleeper". A car that looked stock, mundane even, but was really worked underneath the surface. Great for winning a few bucks from the unsuspecting at the local burger joint the long gone "Wetsons" in Freeport here on Long Island in my case.I don't think you are ever going to be able to play with fast bikes though. You just are never going to beat their power to weight ratio unless you are a top fuel dragster or funny car. If you are just interested in drag racing you probably want something other than an S2000 or else you are in for some very expensive repair work.
If on the other hand you are looking for a car to take on a road course it is a great choice though I would not put a turbo on it in that case. One of the techniques needed to hustle any well ballanced sports car (the S2000 in particular) is good throttle technique to transfer weight when cornering. A turbo will introduce too much lag and this will be hard to accomplish. Throttle response is key and for that you really need to keep it naturally aspirated.
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From: Randolph, NJ
[QUOTE]Originally posted by dlq04
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The reasons for keeping the car stock -- be it the original clean design, mastering both the car and the owner's potential, or long term investment -- are strong.
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The reasons for keeping the car stock -- be it the original clean design, mastering both the car and the owner's potential, or long term investment -- are strong.
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I beg to differ with the turbo issue. From what i hear the speedcraft turbo is not a balls to the wall turbo and its size is suited for the engine. WHen you are making close to peak power at 4000-rpm up i don't think it will be too much of a hinderence.
I think the issue with the turbo is comming up with a fuel tuning alternative that reasonable and less expensive than current options. From what i have read, partial throttle conditions are a bit hiccupy with the FI (except vortech from what i've heard... at least when you get the box worked out).Perhaps this is what you mean with the 'lag.'
A little bit of lag below3-4000 rpm shouldn't affect you too much... because i don't know about you but when driving anything resembling a road course my rpms are well above3-4000 rpm mid corner or not.
I think the issue with the turbo is comming up with a fuel tuning alternative that reasonable and less expensive than current options. From what i have read, partial throttle conditions are a bit hiccupy with the FI (except vortech from what i've heard... at least when you get the box worked out).Perhaps this is what you mean with the 'lag.'
A little bit of lag below3-4000 rpm shouldn't affect you too much... because i don't know about you but when driving anything resembling a road course my rpms are well above3-4000 rpm mid corner or not.
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From: Sydney
Understood. I guess the Stage 1 Speedcraft is what I'm looking for. A sensible FI application on the S.
And I think it also suffers from the 'Bang for buck' problem. Because it is mild and uses high quality parts it is expensive. I read many threads about it being overpriced, but then anything good is I guess.
And I think it also suffers from the 'Bang for buck' problem. Because it is mild and uses high quality parts it is expensive. I read many threads about it being overpriced, but then anything good is I guess.
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Someone mentioned hotrods at car shows. The Pebble Beach Concours is the best in the world and it has a Hot Rod class now. All of the cars must have a "history". This means that the cars in the show must be historically significant in one form or another (speed records, race wins, etc).
Also, driving a stock S2000 at a road course, at its limits, can be very scary. The car was put together with inherent handling issues at the limit. Simple modifications (ones that no one can even see) can help correct these problems.
Also, driving a stock S2000 at a road course, at its limits, can be very scary. The car was put together with inherent handling issues at the limit. Simple modifications (ones that no one can even see) can help correct these problems.
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Front and rear bumpsteer, sometimes severe, has nothing to do with driving style.
Street cars all have inherent handling issues at the limit. That is because they are engineered for the street - not the track.
Even my Lotus has inherent problems in "stock" form with track use. The car is a street car first, not a track car. In order to safely run that car on the track there are suspension changes that must be made (especially if running slicks).
To argue that street cars have no inherent limitations when taken to the track isn't a very strong argument, IMHO. I do understand that this thread was not meant to cover cars at the track (where the author of the thread indicated that modications were acceptable).
Street cars all have inherent handling issues at the limit. That is because they are engineered for the street - not the track.
Even my Lotus has inherent problems in "stock" form with track use. The car is a street car first, not a track car. In order to safely run that car on the track there are suspension changes that must be made (especially if running slicks).
To argue that street cars have no inherent limitations when taken to the track isn't a very strong argument, IMHO. I do understand that this thread was not meant to cover cars at the track (where the author of the thread indicated that modications were acceptable).