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Old Apr 28, 2011 | 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted by hicabi
Originally Posted by ChrisHS2000' timestamp='1303945909' post='20514699
The 25.2 m/s is NOT the peak piston speed of an F1 engine.
Search Wikipedia for "mean piston speed". Max piston speeds of S2000 and F1 cars are almost equivalent despite the difference in max RPM because of the drastic stroke difference. Max piston speed is the main reason why AP2 engines cannot rev as high as AP1 engines, because of their increased stroke.

High revving sport bike engines, as well as F1 engines, have very short strokes as well. Those engines work great for bikes, but are hardly suitable for regular cars for various reasons: high and rough idle, peaky power delivery, low torque, bad efficiency, etc.

While not in production, NSX uses titanium connecting rods as well. If S2000 needed them, Honda could put them there (despite the price increase). Honda has the technology and know how at their disposal. They use it if they see fit. After all, engineering is design under constraint.
"could have". you sound like Kramer, from Sienfeld, when he "could have built the levels, but chose not to".
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Old Apr 28, 2011 | 07:39 AM
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I think I made myself clear as possible. Whatever you take from it (or not) is your problem. Not much else I can contribute at this point.

Based on your last post, you're out of anything meaningful to write as well.
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Old Apr 28, 2011 | 01:46 PM
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What Hicabi said was pretty clear but to simplify:

Chevy took actual technology from the race car and put it in the street car

Honda did not.
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Old Apr 28, 2011 | 04:27 PM
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Fine by me if that makes you sleep better.
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Old Apr 28, 2011 | 04:36 PM
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Just frustrated by people not seeming to get it.
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Old Apr 28, 2011 | 06:30 PM
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I have 130,000 miles in S2000s and am extremely tempted by Vettes, even though I've never driven one. Here's how I see the C6's advantages over the S:

All trim levels--

5yr/100,000mi powertrain warranty.
No timing chain to eventually break.
V8, especially with the sport exhaust, sounds way better than a four-banger.
Interior is a bit more spread-out.
Cupholders on the OTHER side of the shifter, not behind it.
You can do something with a C6 that you can never do again with an S: buy a new one.

C6 base coupe ("KOO-pay" per Top Gear) and convertible--

More storage space (vert).
Waaaay more storage space (hatch).
You can take the targa top with you. MAJOR selling point over my CR.
The same or better mileage, and you can run 87 instead of 93 all the time.
1.8x the hp, 2.5x the tq, less than 1.15x the weight.
Most likely a better sound system.

Z06--

2x the hp, 3x the tq, less than 1.10x the weight.
Dry sump; makes for better-lubricated trackdays.
Beats the dogcrap out of any similarly-priced sports car.

ZR1--

2.6x the hp, 3.7x the tq, less than 1.2x the weight.
By all accounts, a mild-mannered daily driver, even more so than the other C6s.
Beats the dogcrap out of almost any other sports car ever made, and the rest will cost you 3-4x the price or more.
Speaking of which, thanks to overestimating demand, Chevy has ZR1s coming out of their ears, and I've talked with two dealers who would have gladly taken my S and let me drive away in a ZR1 the same day. Slightly higher payment, darn it. Cash buyers can expect 10k or more off sticker.

I wouldn't knock any Vette of any sort unless I've tried it. And I might.
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Old Apr 28, 2011 | 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by bronxbomber252
Just frustrated by people not seeming to get it.
Don't be. Some people just don't get it, and that's OK.
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Old Apr 28, 2011 | 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Syn
Allow me to begin by offering my version of your statement, "We are S2k fans, owners, and lovers." My version would be "We are car enthusiasts."
Agreed. You can't deny the performance of the Vette even though many people don't care for domestics. At some point in my life I could see myself test driving one, but I don't think I would buy one. They are respectable cars and I would take it if someone gave me one, but there are other cars that I would prefer to buy over a Corvette.
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Old Apr 29, 2011 | 05:03 AM
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Originally Posted by hicabi
Originally Posted by bronxbomber252' timestamp='1304037411' post='20518948
Just frustrated by people not seeming to get it.
Don't be. Some people just don't get it, and that's OK.
All your credibility went out the window when you suggested overhead cams were new technology compared to push rods, so whatever you "get" is probably wrong.
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Old Apr 29, 2011 | 05:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Hetzen
Originally Posted by hicabi' timestamp='1304048354' post='20519429
[quote name='bronxbomber252' timestamp='1304037411' post='20518948']
Just frustrated by people not seeming to get it.
Don't be. Some people just don't get it, and that's OK.
All your credibility went out the window when you suggested overhead cams were new technology compared to push rods, so whatever you "get" is probably wrong.
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right... because if he got one fact wrong that must mean that he knows nothing about anything.../sarcasm
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