Can You Really Compare a S2000 to a Miata? Really?
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That is Just another opinion!! Thanks. I'm the topic starter. So you trying to come here saying i'm the one bashing? Did you read everything? You can take this thread as you will. I have said aleast three times what this thread is about. it's Funny alot of comments and not enough reading... I don't need to talk about another car to have a self-esteem Booster? In fact I could careless because i have my own opinion. Just as you have yours. Seems more people that comment are bringing the negative energy!! It really doesn't matter. It's really what fourms are for right? To discuss.
I'm not here to change your mind. I think you've made it clear that that's not happening. I'm here for the benefit of future S2000 owners who currently own a Miata or are cross shopping an S2000 with one. I just want to reaffirm that the world isn't black and white, that there are real reasons that a Miata might be a better choice for them, and that this thread isn't reflective of the entire community.
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Originally Posted by DarkWingS2K' timestamp='1366676864' post='22491708
That is Just another opinion!! Thanks. I'm the topic starter. So you trying to come here saying i'm the one bashing? Did you read everything? You can take this thread as you will. I have said aleast three times what this thread is about. it's Funny alot of comments and not enough reading... I don't need to talk about another car to have a self-esteem Booster? In fact I could careless because i have my own opinion. Just as you have yours. Seems more people that comment are bringing the negative energy!! It really doesn't matter. It's really what fourms are for right? To discuss.
I'm not here to change your mind. I think you've made it clear that that's not happening. I'm here for the benefit of future S2000 owners who currently own a Miata or are cross shopping an S2000 with one. I just want to reaffirm that the world isn't black and white, that there are real reasons that a Miata might be a better choice for them, and that this thread isn't reflective of the entire community.
Ture. I can only control what i say. Not anyone else. The members have given plenty of input. And if you can't see that by now then sorry. This Thread was made because of things that ive heard said about the s2000 vs the Miata. I never intended to Compare these two cars to the point were negitive things were being thrown around. I stated earlier, I had someone tell me that they thought the Miata was a better car all the way around! Of course i'm going to ask my community to back me with the things that i countered with. Witch was performace and looks. Nothing else. And i will repeat i'm not bashing over and over. until people read what i have posted and not others.
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I don't think this thread serves a purpose. I am guessing based on the original post that those comments regarding the S2000 were made on a Miata forum. In that case, you've become a victim of the most common thing seen on any car forums anywhere: biased owners talking down another platform for no good reason, often based on incomplete or outright incorrect information. You have to ignore those types. The true enthusiasts are easy to spot based on their comments and how they frame their comparisons--those are the people whose opinions and thoughts are valid.
So, if you want to truly debate Miata vs. S2000, any real enthusiast will tell you both cars serve their purpose well. Both cars have strengths/weaknesses that can change depending on several variables such as intended use of the vehicle or even owner income when it comes to tracking. Example: it's hard to argue that an S2000 is a better choice than a Miata if you're going for a pure track car and you aren't made of money. Putting a $12-15k S2000 into a wall hurts the average Joe a hell of a lot more than doing the same with a $3500 early 90s Miata. Consumables are also cheaper across the board for the smaller car, so for a track junkie the decision could be to either race every weekend in a Miata or once a month in an S2000 when factoring total cost of each session and considering how much discretionary income is available to burn on track entertainment. There is no "one size fits all" between these two cars.
If you're going to compare both cars stock for stock, the S2000 is clearly "more" in just about every aspect: price, power, weight, looks (subjective, but come on). I listed price first because it's the key here. The S2000 was designed and sold at a higher level in the market than the Miata and there's nothing wrong with that. It just goes to show that comparing the two doesn't really get you anywhere.
And talking about modded vs. modded, again one of the oldest and in my opinion most futile things to come about on car forums everywhere. There are way too many variables at play when you deviate from the stock vs. stock argument and then you get into the back-and-forth realm of "But if you spend $X on the Miata it runs low 13s and handles great!" or "The S2000's stock block can hold 400whp while the Miata's motor can't!" which leads to "Oh but if you spend $2k on a built motor for the Miata then it can hold 500whp and still costs less than buying the S2000 in the first place!" Blah, blah, blah. Pointless.
Don't forget, the Miata is probably the #1 reason that the S2000, Boxster, Z3/Z4, etc. even exist. It literally proved to all manufacturers that a niche was there for lower-priced RWD roadsters when none were being produced.
So, if you want to truly debate Miata vs. S2000, any real enthusiast will tell you both cars serve their purpose well. Both cars have strengths/weaknesses that can change depending on several variables such as intended use of the vehicle or even owner income when it comes to tracking. Example: it's hard to argue that an S2000 is a better choice than a Miata if you're going for a pure track car and you aren't made of money. Putting a $12-15k S2000 into a wall hurts the average Joe a hell of a lot more than doing the same with a $3500 early 90s Miata. Consumables are also cheaper across the board for the smaller car, so for a track junkie the decision could be to either race every weekend in a Miata or once a month in an S2000 when factoring total cost of each session and considering how much discretionary income is available to burn on track entertainment. There is no "one size fits all" between these two cars.
If you're going to compare both cars stock for stock, the S2000 is clearly "more" in just about every aspect: price, power, weight, looks (subjective, but come on). I listed price first because it's the key here. The S2000 was designed and sold at a higher level in the market than the Miata and there's nothing wrong with that. It just goes to show that comparing the two doesn't really get you anywhere.
And talking about modded vs. modded, again one of the oldest and in my opinion most futile things to come about on car forums everywhere. There are way too many variables at play when you deviate from the stock vs. stock argument and then you get into the back-and-forth realm of "But if you spend $X on the Miata it runs low 13s and handles great!" or "The S2000's stock block can hold 400whp while the Miata's motor can't!" which leads to "Oh but if you spend $2k on a built motor for the Miata then it can hold 500whp and still costs less than buying the S2000 in the first place!" Blah, blah, blah. Pointless.
Don't forget, the Miata is probably the #1 reason that the S2000, Boxster, Z3/Z4, etc. even exist. It literally proved to all manufacturers that a niche was there for lower-priced RWD roadsters when none were being produced.
What I love is showing up to an Autox even to have a 20 year old car hand me my ass in my S2000. We all seem to like to debate 'stats' and 'models' but the fact is drivers matter in the equation.
You like your car. I like my car. Miata drivers love their cars too. I just dropp $1k on a subi to add 100hp to it. To do that too my S I'm looking at 4-6K. I'll pull on your all day long in my automatic, can move 4 people, a dog, skis on the roof and luggage for a weekend in the trunk. Does that make it better than my S? No, but it is a sedan. So let's all not forget what the car is, a pure open roadster. It wasn't meant to go head to head with anyone. If you want to measure how amazing you are behind the wheel of your car, show up to any track and put down a time.
I feel like the OP is 16 years old...
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Seems any opinion differing from yours is invalid. Why did you bother asking? Are you really that insecure?
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I never got the impression that the OP was bashing miata owners and I haven't really seen that many negative comments about the miata that are extremely offensive or anything like that. I think people assumed that was going to happen but I haven't seen that yet.
I think everyone here is well aware of the fact that the miata can be a capable car at a low price point. I always looked at the s2000 as being in a higher class than the miata and frankly I had interest in ever owning one. I'm glad people who do own them love them. That all that really matters
I think everyone here is well aware of the fact that the miata can be a capable car at a low price point. I always looked at the s2000 as being in a higher class than the miata and frankly I had interest in ever owning one. I'm glad people who do own them love them. That all that really matters
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not sure why people get so worked up about this? it's only natural comparison. doesn't mean Miata's are better.
similarities:
2 seat roadster, RWD, light, fun, agile, etc
Yes, S2k has more power, and obviously we're on this forum not the Miata forum, so we'll all think it's better than a Miata (at least I do)
it's like the old Mustang vs Camaro comparo, or Lambo vs Ferrari...keeps the car talk interesting
similarities:
2 seat roadster, RWD, light, fun, agile, etc
Yes, S2k has more power, and obviously we're on this forum not the Miata forum, so we'll all think it's better than a Miata (at least I do)
it's like the old Mustang vs Camaro comparo, or Lambo vs Ferrari...keeps the car talk interesting
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Yup. You got it. It Says No Noobs Please. This Not anyway Bashing a Miata. If anything The people who said these things are bashing on our cars. I just know the s2000 is the better choice in performace and style. I agree you can make the miata fast. And it's rear wheel drive. But i'd rather have a S2000 or a K series motor swap if i'm going to build a cheap car..
? A majority of the posts on the first page of this thread are just stating how much better the s2k is than the miata and seem like ego stroking to me. Do we really need to resort to name calling..?With that said, obviously I thought the s2k was the "better" car for me (as I own one). I wanted something with more power while staying reliable, slightly bigger, and I overall agree that the styling is better. I also dd mine, while that would be slightly more difficult with the miata. With that said, if I had only 5-10k for a modded track toy as a 2nd car I would be all over the miata. Different strokes for different folks...
