The Case For Keeping It Stock
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Originally posted by AusS2000
To use an analogy, modding is like a religion. Most of our countries allow freedom of religious expression yes?!!?. Well Bieg is like the atheist who continually runs into every church, temple, synagogue, mosque, etc and shouts "There is no God". He may have a valid point, but it's expression in that particular place of worship does little to enhance peace and goodwill. This is his place, and he should be treated with the same respect we expect in our places.
To use an analogy, modding is like a religion. Most of our countries allow freedom of religious expression yes?!!?. Well Bieg is like the atheist who continually runs into every church, temple, synagogue, mosque, etc and shouts "There is no God". He may have a valid point, but it's expression in that particular place of worship does little to enhance peace and goodwill. This is his place, and he should be treated with the same respect we expect in our places.
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From: Timonium
In the end, this is much ado about nothing. The attention we give to this car and all these silly questions suggests we all need to get a life 
. I'm going to shut off my computer and go hug my wife and kids.
. I'm going to shut off my computer and go hug my wife and kids.
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Man, did this thread drift off topic of what? Bieg, this thread concept is a fine one for endless discussion.
I never saw a group opinion on who, if anyone, represented our factory tuner shop. I suspect Mugen would get the nod as the AMG-type arm of Honda.
I'm currently in the unmodded camp but am seriously considering future bolt-ons. If it can be restored to stock with parts you keep then it is hard to argue against it. I get very cautious considering mods that are somewhat irreversible (without major investment in NOS parts). I'm still queasy about how to mod the stereo without adding holes that didn't exist.
Oh, but I am racing this car. So various "legal" mods for performance are in my future. I'm more concerned about race wear-n-tear reducing my car's perceived value than most mods I'm considering.
Tell you what though, I'd pay a pretty penny for an authentic 1972 modified BRE Racing 240Z...
I never saw a group opinion on who, if anyone, represented our factory tuner shop. I suspect Mugen would get the nod as the AMG-type arm of Honda.
I'm currently in the unmodded camp but am seriously considering future bolt-ons. If it can be restored to stock with parts you keep then it is hard to argue against it. I get very cautious considering mods that are somewhat irreversible (without major investment in NOS parts). I'm still queasy about how to mod the stereo without adding holes that didn't exist.
Oh, but I am racing this car. So various "legal" mods for performance are in my future. I'm more concerned about race wear-n-tear reducing my car's perceived value than most mods I'm considering.
Tell you what though, I'd pay a pretty penny for an authentic 1972 modified BRE Racing 240Z...
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Originally posted by Penforhire
I'm still queasy about how to mod the stereo without adding holes that didn't exist.
I'm still queasy about how to mod the stereo without adding holes that didn't exist.
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Originally posted by AusS2000
I believe this is the correct forum for the anti-Mod argument.
And a sane and rational argument it is. There is little doubt that in terms of resale value and, in most cases, performance, mods are a backwards step.
But that doesn't mean it's right for everyone. Some people are not concerned about resale value, actual dyno-proven performance, or even what the majority (mediocrity??) concider to be "good taste". Take my wheels for example. They are heavier than stock so degrade performance. And many don't think they look good. I do, and I'm secure enough in my beliefs that I don't have a problem with others opinions (oh, and I can't afford Work Wheels
).
What I do have a problem with (only a small one) is A) peoples negaive and personal reactions to this thread (you know who you are) B)Bieg's insistance on repeatedly spouting his anti-mod doctrine in threads about a particular mod. Usually with all the subtlety of a wrecking ball.
To use an analogy, modding is like a religion. Most of our countries allow freedom of religious expression yes?!!?. Well Bieg is like the atheist who continually runs into every church, temple, synagogue, mosque, etc and shouts "There is no God". He may have a valid point, but it's expression in that particular place of worship does little to enhance peace and goodwill. This is his place, and he should be treated with the same respect we expect in our places. And any way, you've only got to look under his bonnet to realise that Bieg actually worships the Aluminium God.
That said, Bieg - if you are really interested in enhancing the value of your stock S2000 you should be encouraging mods as much as possible. That way your S will be all the rarer
I believe this is the correct forum for the anti-Mod argument.
And a sane and rational argument it is. There is little doubt that in terms of resale value and, in most cases, performance, mods are a backwards step.
But that doesn't mean it's right for everyone. Some people are not concerned about resale value, actual dyno-proven performance, or even what the majority (mediocrity??) concider to be "good taste". Take my wheels for example. They are heavier than stock so degrade performance. And many don't think they look good. I do, and I'm secure enough in my beliefs that I don't have a problem with others opinions (oh, and I can't afford Work Wheels
).What I do have a problem with (only a small one) is A) peoples negaive and personal reactions to this thread (you know who you are) B)Bieg's insistance on repeatedly spouting his anti-mod doctrine in threads about a particular mod. Usually with all the subtlety of a wrecking ball.
To use an analogy, modding is like a religion. Most of our countries allow freedom of religious expression yes?!!?. Well Bieg is like the atheist who continually runs into every church, temple, synagogue, mosque, etc and shouts "There is no God". He may have a valid point, but it's expression in that particular place of worship does little to enhance peace and goodwill. This is his place, and he should be treated with the same respect we expect in our places. And any way, you've only got to look under his bonnet to realise that Bieg actually worships the Aluminium God.
That said, Bieg - if you are really interested in enhancing the value of your stock S2000 you should be encouraging mods as much as possible. That way your S will be all the rarer
I apologize, for my forwardness but this is very hard for me to swallow. Bieg, has spoken with the truth. Practical, rational, simple truth. Your retort is quite personal and non-temperate or accepting. Don't forget the greatest act we can emulate between one another is charity. Personally, this is not charitable. Nor is it prudent. Every man has a right to speak and to be heard. There is truth in all things if you look for it. Are you any better than he? I would appreciate an apology for myself and Bieg or anyone else that this has offended.
I want to apologize to everyone here for going further than was necessary with my admonishment. I have a very strong belief in God and didn't appreciate the improper analogy.
Aus I appreciate your feeling about the subject but further antagnism isn't going to make the matter better.
Jeff
[Edited by Jeff on 06-05-2001 at 12:41 PM]
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I have a very strong belief in God and didn't appreciate the improper analogy.
Jeff
Jeff
Sorry, that was for humor (may Buddha help all of us find godly strength in humor). I haven't really looked at Bieg's argument so I have no position in it.
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Originally posted by mingster
I'm sure God is not without His humor. Besides, people call His name in vain all the time, even give his son a middle initial (I still don't get what H. means). If He's as forgiving as they all say, then He would've brushed that off and simply put the top down to enjoy a nice drive somewhere up there in His S2K.
Sorry, that was for humor (may Buddha help all of us find godly strength in humor). I haven't really looked at Bieg's argument so I have no position in it.
I have a very strong belief in God and didn't appreciate the improper analogy.
Jeff
Jeff
Sorry, that was for humor (may Buddha help all of us find godly strength in humor). I haven't really looked at Bieg's argument so I have no position in it.
Bottom line here is let's stay on the original subject and leave the name calling to the kids.