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kids committing vandalism at that age deserve any beating they get, sometimes its the only way they will learn. For those who are saying that his friend was out of line, think of it this way if we live in another culture those kids would have received far worse punishment. Its just imo but if you called the cops on those kids they would of gotten a slap on the wrist and not learn their lesson. Im thinking a messed up beak and taunts from their friends @ school is a better teaching tool.
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Originally Posted by Hyper-X,Sep 17 2004, 11:38 AM
I agree with the ethics but you can't expect everyone to agree upon the resulting actions. Some like you may have more of a problem with the kind of punishment served versus what the cause of the whole situation was.
The fact is, you can't ever predict how someone will react if you do something that will piss them off. So if you can't handle the beating, maybe the person throwing the egg(s) should re-think about throwing it in the first place. You can't expect anyone to take things calmly, that's something you have no control over. What you do have control over is your own actions, that's all. If the tables were turned and I beat up the kid (not my friend Joe) and the kid's father (you) came up to me and gave me lip about how you don't like what I served your son, my answer would be simple... your kid started something he couldn't handle. I never started it nor did I ask for it to happen. It was through his actions and he made a choice to do what he did. I reacted the way I did and if your kid can't handle the consequences, you need to take your kid home and teach him not to start something someone else may finish.
But hey, I'm not Joe, you're not the kid's father so that's a hypothetical situation, but if MY kid was the egger and he got his head pounded into the ground for egging a car/truck 3 times, my reaction towards the kid would be "what'd you expect for doing that, think before you do stupid things boy..." I may not agree with the amount of punishment my son suffered, but I still have to admit that it was through my son's actions that caused this in the first place and could've been avoided.
The fact is, you can't ever predict how someone will react if you do something that will piss them off. So if you can't handle the beating, maybe the person throwing the egg(s) should re-think about throwing it in the first place. You can't expect anyone to take things calmly, that's something you have no control over. What you do have control over is your own actions, that's all. If the tables were turned and I beat up the kid (not my friend Joe) and the kid's father (you) came up to me and gave me lip about how you don't like what I served your son, my answer would be simple... your kid started something he couldn't handle. I never started it nor did I ask for it to happen. It was through his actions and he made a choice to do what he did. I reacted the way I did and if your kid can't handle the consequences, you need to take your kid home and teach him not to start something someone else may finish.
But hey, I'm not Joe, you're not the kid's father so that's a hypothetical situation, but if MY kid was the egger and he got his head pounded into the ground for egging a car/truck 3 times, my reaction towards the kid would be "what'd you expect for doing that, think before you do stupid things boy..." I may not agree with the amount of punishment my son suffered, but I still have to admit that it was through my son's actions that caused this in the first place and could've been avoided.
Yes, I understand that people may lose control when they get pissed. But I still think it is inexcusable to do certain things to others. We both agree that the perpetrators' action was stupid and deserving of a punishment, but we disagree on the amount/intensity of the punishment. To me, no damage of property could ever excuse anyone to damage someone's brains. Luckily, I hope that kid didn't suffer from a brain damage because it would be a sad thing. Let's conclude our "argument" here.
Btw, I don't know what your friend, Joe, is like, but my 320-lb Tongan friend John is also like a Gorilla. I call him an Asian Negro, and he doesn't seem to like that.
Joe and John should duke it out. It'll be fun to watch, but man, they must be slow as hell.
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Originally Posted by yellafeva,Sep 17 2004, 11:18 AM
Again, the head is the most fragile part on the human body and should be left alone unless fatality is intended.
Seriously, though, Joe shouldn't drink if he's a dangerous, angry drunk. Being drunk is a REASON for his behavior, but not an excuse!
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Joe is a very cool guy, but you guys seem to forget, Joe didn't exactly walk down the street drunk and pounded the guy in the head for no reason. He had a very good reason to do so IMHO.
He's cool when he's sober and very cool when he's drunk. He'd do the same thing when sober or drunk. Him being drunk was the reason for him being numb and not aware of me trying to pull/push him away from the boy. He'd pound anyone who egged his car when he's sober.. I know I would.
Like I said, if you can't handle a beating, don't do anything that may cause you to have your head beat in the first place... simple. You CAN'T predict how someone is going to react if you do anything to tick him/her off. This isn't grade school people, this is the real world and people get beat up for all kinds of reasons, big and small. Life isn't fair, deal with it. If you don't like the consequences, then you shouldn't start anything. There's a reason why I don't instigate anything on the street. I did what I did to stop Joe when I thought the kid had enough, but Joe didn't feel the same as I did. Everyone holds a different level of value to each situation making each and one of us different from each other. From your point of view, it may appear to be excessive, but Joe may think it was just about right. It's nobody's right to tell someone how to put value into anything regarding personal matters.
He's cool when he's sober and very cool when he's drunk. He'd do the same thing when sober or drunk. Him being drunk was the reason for him being numb and not aware of me trying to pull/push him away from the boy. He'd pound anyone who egged his car when he's sober.. I know I would.
Like I said, if you can't handle a beating, don't do anything that may cause you to have your head beat in the first place... simple. You CAN'T predict how someone is going to react if you do anything to tick him/her off. This isn't grade school people, this is the real world and people get beat up for all kinds of reasons, big and small. Life isn't fair, deal with it. If you don't like the consequences, then you shouldn't start anything. There's a reason why I don't instigate anything on the street. I did what I did to stop Joe when I thought the kid had enough, but Joe didn't feel the same as I did. Everyone holds a different level of value to each situation making each and one of us different from each other. From your point of view, it may appear to be excessive, but Joe may think it was just about right. It's nobody's right to tell someone how to put value into anything regarding personal matters.
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Dont get me wrong... mad props for JOE! Punk ass kids need a beating once in a while. These aren't little juveniles either, they are 17-20, like u said, and are well aware of thier actions and possible consequences. Like my good friend used to say, "ain't nobody above a beatin'!"
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Originally Posted by BlitzSRM,Sep 17 2004, 11:50 AM
is this worth a brain damaging beating.
You can't predict how someone will react, so why even take the chance? Some of the most calm, docile people have the most violent reactions, and some of the more violent ones end up being not-so violent... This isn't complicated folks, this is one of those "you touch my stuff, I'm gonna touch your stuff" deals. Learn it, respect it, live it. Do it, or don't do it at all, how much more simple can it get?
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Excessive? Yes--but if those kids were from Hawaii they should have known that there'd be severe consequences for vandalizing someone's car. It only took me about a day in Oahu to realize that the locals are always looking for a reason to clock someone. I never was almost in so many street fights in my life on my 'vacation' there.