Definitive S2000 CR Thread
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Originally Posted by Luder94,Apr 2 2007, 12:36 PM
May not stack up to a regular modded S2200, but will the modded regular S2200 stack up to the CR in resale (think collectibility)?
Kinda like the mini gp. $34k mini cooper? cmon!
But i still want to see it
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Originally Posted by DarkEarth,Apr 2 2007, 02:47 PM
^^the car doesn't have that much steering feel... to me anyway
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Originally Posted by KerryF,Apr 2 2007, 11:38 AM
Are you kidding? Almost no steering feel? Either you're numb, or you've never driven any other car before.
I've autocrossed many different cars, and the S2000 has a lot of feel/feedback. That was one of the top reasons I bought it.
Any more, or an increased steering ratio would make this car a real handful on the track. I would be surprised if they increased the steering ratio. Good tires and a tuned suspension is all this car needs. If we could fit really fat tires under the car, it would be a lot faster.
I've autocrossed many different cars, and the S2000 has a lot of feel/feedback. That was one of the top reasons I bought it.
Any more, or an increased steering ratio would make this car a real handful on the track. I would be surprised if they increased the steering ratio. Good tires and a tuned suspension is all this car needs. If we could fit really fat tires under the car, it would be a lot faster.
Steering feel on the other hand needs improvement. There have been many threads on this subject. Steering feel can be broken down in 2 categories.
First component of feel is having the proper resistance on the steering wheel. Examples: As Gs increase, the steering effort should also increase so the driver has proper feedback on the G forces. As you unwind, the steering wheel should also have adequate return force to spring back quickly to the center position.
Second component of feel, is sensing what the chassis, front wheels, and engine are doing thru the steering wheel. The feel would come in the form of vibrations or shakes of varing frequencies. As you go over a bump or a series of surface changes, the tires need to communicate this vibrations or shakes back to the steering wheel so the driver knows what the front wheel is doing. As you car begins to understeer and the tires chatter, the steering should also chatter so the driver knows he has reach the limit on the front end. In addition, as the engine revs up, small amount of vibrations should be passed thru to the steering wheel so the driver can feel what the engine is doing thru the steering wheel.
Steering feel provides communication with the car talking back to you. As a result, you the driver is in tune with your car and you have the inputs to push your car to the edge. Due to EPS system, the steering wheel forces need to be programed in. How much resistance and return force is all dependent on how well Honda programmed in their force inputs under all conditions. In a non-power assisted setup, the resistance is much more natural.
Drive an NSX with manual steering and the difference will be obvious.
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From: bloomfield hills
Originally Posted by Silverf16,Apr 2 2007, 04:47 PM
I think you are mixing up 2 different entities of steering. What you described is steering ratio, which I agree is plenty fast the way it is.
Steering feel on the other hand needs improvement. There have been many threads on this subject. Steering feel can be broken down in 2 categories.
First component of feel is having the proper resistance on the steering wheel. Examples: As Gs increase, the steering effort should also increase so the driver has proper feedback on the G forces. As you unwind, the steering wheel should also have adequate return force to spring back quickly to the center position.
Second component of feel, is sensing what the chassis, front wheels, and engine are doing thru the steering wheel. The feel would come in the form of vibrations or shakes of varing frequencies. As you go over a bump or a series of surface changes, the tires need to communicate this vibrations or shakes back to the steering wheel so the driver knows what the front wheel is doing. As you car begins to understeer and the tires chatter, the steering should also chatter so the driver knows he has reach the limit on the front end. In addition, as the engine revs up, small amount of vibrations should be passed thru to the steering wheel so the driver can feel what the engine is doing thru the steering wheel.
Steering feel provides communication with the car talking back to you. As a result, you the driver is in tune with your car and you have the inputs to push your car to the edge. Due to EPS system, the steering wheel forces need to be programed in. How much resistance and return force is all dependent on how well Honda programmed in their force inputs under all conditions. In a non-power assisted setup, the resistance is much more natural.
Drive an NSX with manual steering and the difference will be obvious.
Steering feel on the other hand needs improvement. There have been many threads on this subject. Steering feel can be broken down in 2 categories.
First component of feel is having the proper resistance on the steering wheel. Examples: As Gs increase, the steering effort should also increase so the driver has proper feedback on the G forces. As you unwind, the steering wheel should also have adequate return force to spring back quickly to the center position.
Second component of feel, is sensing what the chassis, front wheels, and engine are doing thru the steering wheel. The feel would come in the form of vibrations or shakes of varing frequencies. As you go over a bump or a series of surface changes, the tires need to communicate this vibrations or shakes back to the steering wheel so the driver knows what the front wheel is doing. As you car begins to understeer and the tires chatter, the steering should also chatter so the driver knows he has reach the limit on the front end. In addition, as the engine revs up, small amount of vibrations should be passed thru to the steering wheel so the driver can feel what the engine is doing thru the steering wheel.
Steering feel provides communication with the car talking back to you. As a result, you the driver is in tune with your car and you have the inputs to push your car to the edge. Due to EPS system, the steering wheel forces need to be programed in. How much resistance and return force is all dependent on how well Honda programmed in their force inputs under all conditions. In a non-power assisted setup, the resistance is much more natural.
Drive an NSX with manual steering and the difference will be obvious.
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Coupe
200cc increase in engine size
9000rpm w/beefed up internals
updated V-TEC
high flow I/H/E
Special Wheels made by Rays
Revised Front and Rear bumpers
yellow fogs
special interior with numbered plaque
Colors: Black, Red and Championship White only.
