I'd love to see your stock timeslips trapping 102. What was the name of the downhill 1/4 dragstrip you ran it at

My point was, if you want to compare ideal power in a 1/4 mile setting with the RWD car having such a big advantage you could put some tires on the FWD car to give them equal 60 foot times. That way you can compare e/t and trapspeed in a meaningful way. If you want to talk about hindering a stock car in a drag race there's nothing worse than open diff FWD.

 

dude.. I ran 96-97 mph trap speeds in my Civic with a stock B16 in it like 4 years ago. I would think 101-102 wouldn't be that difficult in the S. Yes.. I have my time slips if you want me to go dig through my closet, scan it, and show you.....

 

I love this thread, as retarded as it can be at times.

I have heard a LOT of good points from both sides of the coin here. The F series definitely gets the cake though in terms of number of positives.

F20C - Honda's special, one-off, raw, insanely tuned from the factory, formula-esqe sports car engine. Specific in its goals, successeful in its purpose.

To reiterate Wisconson a bit, show me an FI K series that puts down as much power as an FI F series with the same boost.

 

[QUOTE=CosmosMpower,Nov 1 2005, 11:51 AM] I'd love to see your stock timeslips trapping 102. What was the name of the downhill 1/4 dragstrip you ran it at

 

i think the point of this thread is that i-vtec > vtec. more midrange is not a bad thing.

 

K's can also make 500+whp on stock internals, maybe not on pump but its still 500whp+.

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I do find it amazing how quickly engine technology advances, Honda being a prime example. The F20C was designed in the latter part of the 90s and was/is a marvel. Forward 3 years and Honda is mass producing a K-series engine that easily puts down 100hp/l and more with some minor tuning/mods.

I sincerely hope Honda does build a next-gen S2000 where they can take all the above and show what more they can accomplish, though I wonder if a 4-cyl would be realistic for a new S. A 2.2L 9000rpm engine making 265hp and more torque than the current 2.2L would be decent, but hardly a huge step over the current S. More displacement is possible, but it would start getting awful big for a 4-cyl.

Is a 300hp 2.5L I-5 roughly based on the (hopeful) new NSX V10 in the realm of possibility?

 

any more info on this?

the numbers don't match up correctly for the psi and the whp being put down on the stock compression.

 

How about a 4.0L V8 using K20 or F20 heads. Lightweight aluminum block. Forged internals. 480 hp @ 9000 rpm.

If Honda does make a new S2000, it will most likely follow the trend set by the current car and provide a link to Formula 1 heritage. Honda will essentially have two formula teams to play with next year. I would imagine a 2.4L engine to reflect the new F1 displacement. Perhaps a 2.4L I4 or V8 reving to 10,000 rpm. i-vtec of course. Imagine a 2.4L V8 making 300+hp and 180 lb-ft of torque. It would sound just like the new F1 engines.

 

This argument is fun!

As someone who has owned and modded a K20A2, and now owns a F22C, I can say that you have to learn to love both for what they are. It's clear to everyone that the K20A2 responds better to the simple bolt-on mods... but that doesn't necessarily make it better or worse in my opinion. And because the cars these motors are packaged in are different, it's even harder to compare the two. The fact remains that either one can be modded and tuned to make a lot of power if you want to go that route, and it's pretty expensive no matter which one you choose.

Now I do wish there were some sort of "F-Pro" for our motor that is comparable to the K-Pro that's available for the K20A2. That's truly a great tool to have, and could unlease a lot of potential power if it were available, especially for those that are running forced induction.