Try it in an AP1. Mine snapped at me many times at the autox.

 

Also with OEM skinny fronts. Try it nonstaggered with an OEM front sway and let us know how it goes.

 

i did an instant 180 when i clipped the inside of a reverse bank corner at the local racetrack in my ap1, so yeah, it does happen to some of us

 

you dont seem to know much about the early s2ks

it was the 00-01 that had snap oversteer problems

02+ got something changed

and i've experienced snap oversteer in a MY00. it's no joke

 

Learn your car and learn how to drive it! I have an 02 and find it to be one of the most predictable cars I have ever driven. It comes down to the tires you have and the ability you have.

Short wheel bases tend to snap because of the short wheel
base. In a long wheelbase truck it is easy to predict the pendulum affect.

 

06 has the softest rear springs of any model year. It's probably the most prone to understeer. I made the "mistake" of going 215/255 with my most recent set of tires, and I have to work to get the car to rotate, even with VSA off. After extended hard driving the fronts get greasy and then I have to go into corners trailing the throttle to get the front to bite at all.

225/255's next time for me, I'm considering having some rear OEM wheels machined to fit the front so I can run 255/255.

 

A few track guys have done 235 / 255 on OEM AP2 wheels. It's a nice balance with a stiffer FSB.

 

Not this again...

I have an AP1 (MY 2001) and have been to the track with it a few times. It's a lot of fun to push it at the limit, including oversteer. There is no snap oversteer. It's very controllable!

Snap oversteer happens when you get too nervous with the steering wheel in your hands. Not because you drive an AP1.

 

Slightly off topic, but personally I wouldn't recommend tracking with VSA on at all. Not saying it's wrong - just if a someone asked me about it I would say always have it off.

The reason I say this is you get too used to having a safety net. Either you push the car with it on and let vsa keep you from spinning (or rotating) and you adjust your driving accordingly; or you learn to drive your car so you are never reaching the point that vsa turns on. Either way, you never find the true limit of the car. When you turn it off, then you have to relearn where the limit is.

I was at a track day and an owner of a brand new M6 spun out. He was a novice but progressing nicely. When he spun, his car ended up sliding 6 ft up a hill. Luckily he and his car were alright. The guy laughed it off and said "looks like I shouldn't have turned traction control off" - this being his first session with it off. His reasoning was that traction control would have saved him from spinning. My reasoning is that if he never used traction control from the start, he would have learned where the limit was when he was a true beginner - most likely at lower speeds - and this probably wouldn't have happened in the window of him gaining confidence but still not knowing 100% what his car is capable of. Now he has to either relearn with it off, or rely on it.

Track days are there so you can push your car to the limit in a safe environment. You won't find the limit with VSA on. A track has walls though and a fair amount of traffic, so if you're not comfortable without vsa, by all means leave it on. Autox is a different animal though. Whenever I instruct autox, I tell my student spin out at least once that day. Whether they do or not, they get a better sense of how much the car can take.

Just my 2 cents.

 

Really based on what info. I have never seen definitive rates published. They seemed to change about every two years or so. I would like to see someone get them measured. Would be nice to know.

Swiftoy