Front License Plate HELP?
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Originally Posted by RedY2KS2k,Jan 14 2011, 05:24 PM
Actually, front plates were required in some states decades before the laser gun was invented. Radar guns spread enough that the front plate isn't a big deal.
Prior to laser guns, there were several initiatives to go to one plate in Ohio. The Sheriff's Association always testified against it, claiming it would make it more difficult to identify cars fleeing robberies, burglaries, etc.
Conedodger is right on the money: at 2:30 AM the cops will use any "probable cause" to stop a car and determine if the driver is drunk. No front plate and out at 2:30 AM is an invitation to them.
Prior to laser guns, there were several initiatives to go to one plate in Ohio. The Sheriff's Association always testified against it, claiming it would make it more difficult to identify cars fleeing robberies, burglaries, etc.
Conedodger is right on the money: at 2:30 AM the cops will use any "probable cause" to stop a car and determine if the driver is drunk. No front plate and out at 2:30 AM is an invitation to them.
x2its just like having limo tint on your windows. you're the one willingly breaking the law just so you can feel better about your car. whats stopping the cop from thinking thats the only line you've crossed? i used to run without a plate for way too long, when it boils down to it, there's no good reason to keep it off. suck it up
if it really bugs you, just take it off for some pics, then put it back on whenever you drive.
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Originally Posted by dirtykoala,Jan 14 2011, 03:43 PM
Its a BS law that was implemented to give radar guns something good to bounce off of. Cops have an option to enforce infractions, this cop chose to go out of his way and enforce this one while the state gained nothing and spend money on the cops time. I would agree that he is a D-bag.
Now the OP is going to go use more time of another cop to get the ticket written off, then send it in and have a clerk process the ticket at even more costs to the state.
"Cops just doing their job" is the biggest load of BS ive ever heard. Their job is to protect and serve and writing this fix it ticket accomplished neither. There was no threat to public safety, and no service done to the people. The people ended up spending tax money on something that provided no benefit to them.
Now the OP is going to go use more time of another cop to get the ticket written off, then send it in and have a clerk process the ticket at even more costs to the state.
"Cops just doing their job" is the biggest load of BS ive ever heard. Their job is to protect and serve and writing this fix it ticket accomplished neither. There was no threat to public safety, and no service done to the people. The people ended up spending tax money on something that provided no benefit to them.
the state just gained money from his infraction, how is that not gaining?
a cops job is to protect and serve and catch people who violate the law, in this situation he is breaking the law. driving is a privileged, if you dont like it, go ride a bike.
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Originally Posted by lawliver,Jan 15 2011, 04:46 PM
lots of ignorance is this post
the state just gained money from his infraction, how is that not gaining?
a cops job is to protect and serve and catch people who violate the law, in this situation he is breaking the law. driving is a privileged, if you dont like it, go ride a bike.
the state just gained money from his infraction, how is that not gaining?
a cops job is to protect and serve and catch people who violate the law, in this situation he is breaking the law. driving is a privileged, if you dont like it, go ride a bike.
lets do some math.
fix it ticket = $0 fine
cost to employ cops & court clerks to issue, input, and clear this ticket = >$0
explain the gain to the state.
your assumption is that all cops and laws are good. the front plate law helps no one. it does cost the state more money to manufacture plates though. so more loss to the state for having the law.
your bike idea does not really work because the same rules apply for driving as they do biking. so if one were to not like the laws applied to driving, and instead ride a bike, they would be bound to the same laws and gain nothing.
i agree that the cop was fishing. he saw a minor infraction at 0230 that may have led him to a drunk driver so he went for it. maybe the cop doesnt usually write front plate tickets, but had to write something when he found a sober driver.
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On the bright side there is no requirement for a front plate on your bicycle, so you can keep it clean and not worry about those pesky cops getting into your business.
The department still generates revenue by doing this. Lets say that 1 in every five times they pull someone over for no front plate they pick up another more serious infraction, such as DUI or lack of insurance. Those are the types of tickets that generate the big money.
The department still generates revenue by doing this. Lets say that 1 in every five times they pull someone over for no front plate they pick up another more serious infraction, such as DUI or lack of insurance. Those are the types of tickets that generate the big money.
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Originally Posted by dirtykoala,Jan 15 2011, 05:47 PM
please explain to me how a state gains money from a no-fine fix it ticket.
lets do some math.
fix it ticket = $0 fine
cost to employ cops & court clerks to issue, input, and clear this ticket = >$0
explain the gain to the state.
your assumption is that all cops and laws are good. the front plate law helps no one. it does cost the state more money to manufacture plates though. so more loss to the state for having the law.
your bike idea does not really work because the same rules apply for driving as they do biking. so if one were to not like the laws applied to driving, and instead ride a bike, they would be bound to the same laws and gain nothing.
i agree that the cop was fishing. he saw a minor infraction at 0230 that may have led him to a drunk driver so he went for it. maybe the cop doesnt usually write front plate tickets, but had to write something when he found a sober driver.
lets do some math.
fix it ticket = $0 fine
cost to employ cops & court clerks to issue, input, and clear this ticket = >$0
explain the gain to the state.
your assumption is that all cops and laws are good. the front plate law helps no one. it does cost the state more money to manufacture plates though. so more loss to the state for having the law.
your bike idea does not really work because the same rules apply for driving as they do biking. so if one were to not like the laws applied to driving, and instead ride a bike, they would be bound to the same laws and gain nothing.
i agree that the cop was fishing. he saw a minor infraction at 0230 that may have led him to a drunk driver so he went for it. maybe the cop doesnt usually write front plate tickets, but had to write something when he found a sober driver.
cost to employ cops? lol, because you're hiring an officer @50k for one day, nay, 10 minutes so he can pull you over for one plate ticket and retire? cost of court clerks to issue, input and clear this ticket? heard of economies of scale? did they buy all those printers and other various logistical machines to print just that one ticket?
can you justify buying a lotto ticket? what if the odds of winning (not the jackpot) were say, 1 in 20? 1 in 10? 1 in 5? would you then buy a lotto ticket?
in the same way, wouldn't the cop be justified from a purely financial standpoint to issue a ticket if the chance of catching a "bigger fish" (per CBRdream) and turning a higher profit? lets not even start with the whole "cops being sworn to uphold and protect the law and citizens" thing...
also, bike analogy works perfectly fine. the same laws that govern cars does not apply to bikes, and vice versa. so if he's not happy with car laws, he can ride a bike instead.
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im not saying that it cost the entire cops salary, or the entire cost of the printer per ticket. so lets say that this cop gets paid 50k per year, or about $24 per hour, he works for about 1/2 hour to make the traffic stop and enter his report. if the fine were $10, we would spend $12 to enforce it. if we add the minutes that it takes court clerks to do their job, we will probably be closer to $20 to enforce the ticket. if we include the actually cost to employ people, not just their salary, we nearly double the number. so now we have spent about $35-$40 to get a return of 10-25.
the citizens driving on the road are not the states lottery tickets.
the citizens driving on the road are not the states lottery tickets.
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But traffic stops, for whatever violation (speeding, no front plate, weaving from lane to lane) yield some of the biggest busts the cops make. Read your local paper and add up the drug confiscations that result from traffic stops. Then figure in the arrests on outstanding warrants that result from traffic stops.
A traffic stop is one of the few times our society allows the authorities to check your sobriety, your papers, your arrest record, etc.
A traffic stop is one of the few times our society allows the authorities to check your sobriety, your papers, your arrest record, etc.
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Originally Posted by RedY2KS2k,Jan 15 2011, 10:21 PM
But traffic stops, for whatever violation (speeding, no front plate, weaving from lane to lane) yield some of the biggest busts the cops make. Read your local paper and add up the drug confiscations that result from traffic stops. Then figure in the arrests on outstanding warrants that result from traffic stops.
A traffic stop is one of the few times our society allows the authorities to check your sobriety, your papers, your arrest record, etc.
A traffic stop is one of the few times our society allows the authorities to check your sobriety, your papers, your arrest record, etc.
Rochester, N.Y.- Rochester police say a traffic stop on Weaver Street Wednesday evening led to six arrests.
Police say officers pulled over a vehicle just after 6:00 p.m. because of traffic violations.
Authorities say the driver, Patrick Flowers, had a suspended license. After searching the car, police say they found a loaded stolen 9mm pistol and a loaded stolen .25 caliber pistol under one of the seats. They also found several bags of suspected marijuana.