Future of the S2000?
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[QUOTE=bilkanin,Sep 15 2004, 04:40 PM] The way for Honda to go is to make a S2000 Type-R, it's the natural way for their cars to reach the next level.
Just like the Nsx Type-R is refined in many ways they could do this to the S.
They could make it more hardcore without any compromises in the chassies and engine, the people buying a Type-R probably know they're in for a bumpy ride anyway.
The Nsx Type-R is 265 lbs lighter than the original one, that should be possible to shed off the S too. This combined with upgraded handling and an additional 20 hp on the top and a reworked mid-range map made for power instead of saving fuel, should do the trick.
It's not a major update, but it ought to be enough.
The Nsx Type-R is equally fast as a Porsche GT3 and a BMW M3 CSL around N
Just like the Nsx Type-R is refined in many ways they could do this to the S.
They could make it more hardcore without any compromises in the chassies and engine, the people buying a Type-R probably know they're in for a bumpy ride anyway.
The Nsx Type-R is 265 lbs lighter than the original one, that should be possible to shed off the S too. This combined with upgraded handling and an additional 20 hp on the top and a reworked mid-range map made for power instead of saving fuel, should do the trick.
It's not a major update, but it ought to be enough.
The Nsx Type-R is equally fast as a Porsche GT3 and a BMW M3 CSL around N
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Originally Posted by MaxGeek,Sep 15 2004, 03:47 PM
I don't think supercharging or turbo charging would be the best idea. Supercharging doesn't really make the 0-60 times much faster and it really changes the handling characteristics of the car. The rear end is pretty loose as it is. Adding huge amounts of power will probably have more S2000s wrapped around trees. Plus add cost into the equation and the price of the s2000 will quick jump thousands. You have to add a supercharger, stronger clutch, stronger differential, rework the engine management, possibly stronger internals for Honda level long term reliability, and etc.
Personally, I don't see anything wrong with the S as it is. So, I'd like to see something like that as an option realizing that Honda doesn't offer options on the S (not counting dealer-added accesories) because it's low-volume and they're trying to keep the costs down.
Whining about HP is standard for most sports enthusiasts. Join a Z forum and watch 'em whine the G35 coupe is getting a HP boost and not the Z. They're all spreading rumors about a 300 HP anniversary Z. RX-8 owners are growling Mazda published exaggerated HP ratings for the car. You can just go down the list.
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Originally Posted by mav,Sep 16 2004, 10:52 AM
Everything is bs rumors until Honda makes an offical announcement. Either way, new generation or death of the current one, I will keep enjoying my 2002 S2000.
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Originally Posted by JonnyS2K,Sep 16 2004, 12:35 AM
anybody know why the S600 and 800 were discontinued? not selling well enough? hopefully that was the case as the s2k sure doesn't seem to have that problem (mental note: sign up for waiting list now)
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Originally Posted by hpark,Sep 15 2004, 05:03 PM
Honda, PLEASE don't make the S2000 Type R as I will get owned on the trade in.
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Originally Posted by mav,Sep 14 2004, 05:53 PM
Well I disagree on the statement with Dodge making an Neon SRT that can beat our beloved S for $10K less. To me, the Neon SRT is not a factor. Someone in the market for an S2000 will not cross-shop an Neon SRT but above all I don't care if the Neon SRT is faster than the Ferrari Enzo, to me and everyone else its still a POS Neon riced out from the factory.
Not to mention the s2000 is non turbo. Put a turbo on a s2000 then see what beats it.
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Originally Posted by phoenix9999,Sep 14 2004, 07:28 PM
I think the S2000 is near the end of its life as well. The main reason is the competition. In 2000, the S2000 was heads-and-tails above most other roadsters on the market. Today things are a little different - the driving dynamics and chassis of the Z4 are superlative, the upcoming Boxster appears to be far more competitive, and my recent drive of a new SLK demo rather blew me away--I actually liked it more than the S, although it has a price tag to match. The Miata has more kick than before, the 350Z roadster has some catching looks and gobs of torque, the Mustang convertible finally grows beyond its 1970s mechanicals, and the Elise steals away the "hardcore" title from the S2000. There never has been a better time to buy a convertible. I don't see Honda putting much attention on the S when right now the Civic needs it so much more.
One the s2000 is still better then all the cars mentioned above overall.
Second, is anyone considering that most of the people that the car targets are still in college and high school? If they modify the car like BMW does to theirs, all the kids coming out of college will be buying the s2000 above any other brand. Go to a high school and college and all you'll see is hondas and acuras. (Why are all the old muscle cars in demand? because old farts love to re-live their teenage years.)
Third, you have to remember that the s2000 has alot more to offer then other cars like porsche neon
and others. For example, hand made,9000rpms(on older models), electronic steering, VTEC, and on and on.Last, its a win win situation for honda. The s2000 has built a name for honda in a matter of years. If they decide to keep the car, people are going to continue to buy it. (i know dealers around me love to get them in). If they discontinue the s2000 then it will almost instantly become a collectors item.
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Originally Posted by Gink5,Sep 16 2004, 05:29 PM
This is my last comment.
One the s2000 is still better then all the cars mentioned above overall.
Second, is anyone considering that most of the people that the car targets are still in college and high school? If they modify the car like BMW does to theirs, all the kids coming out of college will be buying the s2000 above any other brand. Go to a high school and college and all you'll see is hondas and acuras. (Why are all the old muscle cars in demand? because old farts love to re-live their teenage years.)
Third, you have to remember that the s2000 has alot more to offer then other cars like porsche neon and others. For example, hand made,9000rpms(on older models), electronic steering, VTEC, and on and on.
Last, its a win win situation for honda. The s2000 has built a name for honda in a matter of years. If they decide to keep the car, people are going to continue to buy it. (i know dealers around me love to get them in). If they discontinue the s2000 then it will almost instantly become a collectors item.
One the s2000 is still better then all the cars mentioned above overall.
Second, is anyone considering that most of the people that the car targets are still in college and high school? If they modify the car like BMW does to theirs, all the kids coming out of college will be buying the s2000 above any other brand. Go to a high school and college and all you'll see is hondas and acuras. (Why are all the old muscle cars in demand? because old farts love to re-live their teenage years.)
Third, you have to remember that the s2000 has alot more to offer then other cars like porsche neon
and others. For example, hand made,9000rpms(on older models), electronic steering, VTEC, and on and on.Last, its a win win situation for honda. The s2000 has built a name for honda in a matter of years. If they decide to keep the car, people are going to continue to buy it. (i know dealers around me love to get them in). If they discontinue the s2000 then it will almost instantly become a collectors item.
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Has anybody even made a collector's item lately?
Car companies are in the business of volume. If they make a vehicle that sells well they will up production and feed the masses. They aren't interested in making collectors items...they are interested in making money.
Cars now days seem to create cult followings due to their low volume numbers, which isn't to say they won't hold their value better because of their cult following.
I guess what I'm trying to say is S2000's are low volume because of low sales...and low sales equal redo or termination. Just look at the RX7, 300zx, and Supra of the mid 90's. They all used to be high volume cars, but as the volume decreased so did their viabilty. All were cancelled.
Camaro and Firebird....Need I Say More?
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Car companies are in the business of volume. If they make a vehicle that sells well they will up production and feed the masses. They aren't interested in making collectors items...they are interested in making money.
Cars now days seem to create cult followings due to their low volume numbers, which isn't to say they won't hold their value better because of their cult following.
I guess what I'm trying to say is S2000's are low volume because of low sales...and low sales equal redo or termination. Just look at the RX7, 300zx, and Supra of the mid 90's. They all used to be high volume cars, but as the volume decreased so did their viabilty. All were cancelled.
Camaro and Firebird....Need I Say More?
Just My .02
Start flaming me!