Getting back into S2k, opinions?
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just get the s2000...
audi A4 will always be there, but not s2000s since its discontinued...
own a roadster while you can... you'll regret you didn't when you hit "mid-life crisis"...
also, you can always get a sedan anytime in your life...
audi A4 will always be there, but not s2000s since its discontinued...
own a roadster while you can... you'll regret you didn't when you hit "mid-life crisis"...
also, you can always get a sedan anytime in your life...
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I'm just saying, his money would be better spent buying an older S2K and getting driver training then spending countless thousands more for a newer model with VSC.
With VSC you will be a fraction safer, true.
With training from a professional you will be multiple times safer.
With VSC you will be a fraction safer, true.
With training from a professional you will be multiple times safer.
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[QUOTE=Dr. Strangelove,Jul 11 2009, 07:48 PM] I'm just saying, his money would be better spent buying an older S2K and getting driver training then spending countless thousands more for a newer model with VSC.
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In my opinion wait until you find EXACTLY what you are looking for including color. There are car purchasers who can also help you track them down. Laguna blue looks hot, and I would take it over a white anyday. Worth waiting for.
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Originally Posted by Dr. Strangelove,Jul 11 2009, 07:48 PM
I'm just saying, his money would be better spent buying an older S2K and getting driver training then spending countless thousands more for a newer model with VSC.
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[QUOTE=Dr. Strangelove,Jul 11 2009, 07:48 PM] I'm just saying, his money would be better spent buying an older S2K and getting driver training then spending countless thousands more for a newer model with VSC.
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OK maybe 'countless' was an exaggeration, I'll admit that.
And he didn't post that money that was infinite either.
Just a quick side note; I'm not suggesting that he go to an Auto X or two, I'm talking about Skip Barber or Bondurant, both of whom would provide excellent training for the cost of buying a 2002 Vs. 2006. Which is the topic of the post: Do we personally think it is worth it...
Learning how to handle a car admittedly isn't as easy or as quick as just buying a car with VSC, but I do feel it is more rewarding, safer and in the long run, just as expensive as buying a newer model.
But I'm not here to argue with you CKit even though you do have some good points. Let's wait until the OP gets back on and see how he feels about our thoughts on the subject.
I don't think I'll really change my stance on the subject though. Even if you have already budgeted for some driver training, the extra money could be spent on more. Unless OP is a current F1 driver (oh man if only!).
I say all of this BTW, as the owner of a 2007, so take that however you want to...
He never said that he would spend the extra money INSTEAD of driver education.
Just a quick side note; I'm not suggesting that he go to an Auto X or two, I'm talking about Skip Barber or Bondurant, both of whom would provide excellent training for the cost of buying a 2002 Vs. 2006. Which is the topic of the post: Do we personally think it is worth it...
Learning how to handle a car admittedly isn't as easy or as quick as just buying a car with VSC, but I do feel it is more rewarding, safer and in the long run, just as expensive as buying a newer model.
But I'm not here to argue with you CKit even though you do have some good points. Let's wait until the OP gets back on and see how he feels about our thoughts on the subject.
I don't think I'll really change my stance on the subject though. Even if you have already budgeted for some driver training, the extra money could be spent on more. Unless OP is a current F1 driver (oh man if only!).
I say all of this BTW, as the owner of a 2007, so take that however you want to...
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Originally Posted by Dr. Strangelove,Jul 11 2009, 08:42 PM
Because of the reputation, and the sales success of the S2000, Honda over the years has been changing the car to make it a little more palatable to the general public. They changed the spring rates, and if I remember correctly the anti-roll bars to make the car more and more understeer bias.
Then they finally gave in and added VSC. I personally see VSC as a crutch, an unnecessary nanny that needs to be shut off. I feel that if you go into a corner and your not sure if the car can hold itself, you need to slow the **** down, not rely on the computer to apply the brakes for you.
My fear is that tech like this is going to make people braver (Is dumber a better word?) and go into situations that physics won't allow. (VSC is not magic, you still cannot drive faster than your tires can grip)
So, in my opinion is VSC worth spending any money on at all? No, not a chance. Buy an older model, and take $1,000 of that money and spend it on a couple of track sessions where you get professional instruction. I guarantee you will be many times safer knowing what you are doing than hoping the computer and rear brakes can bail you out of a stupid situation.
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Originally Posted by Dr. Strangelove,Jul 11 2009, 11:01 PM
I don't think I'll really change my stance on the subject though. Even if you have already budgeted for some driver training, the extra money could be spent on more. Unless OP is a current F1 driver (oh man if only!).
I say all of this BTW, as the owner of a 2007, so take that however you want to...
I say all of this BTW, as the owner of a 2007, so take that however you want to...
I agree with all your points about the importance of spending money on driver education. I wish that this car came with mandatory training or that insurance companies would sponsor RWD driver education for a reduced rate.
