Going to buy an S2K tonight.
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you could just by my GPW S2000................
heres the thread
https://www.s2ki.com/forums/showthread.php?...threadid=146751
heres the thread
https://www.s2ki.com/forums/showthread.php?...threadid=146751
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Makes me think that $29,995 is too good to pass up. It has the front spoiler, side strakes, rear spoiler and 6CD changer!!! (yes it's a brand new '03 
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I'm just not sure about the Spa Yellow...I'm a silver car fan. They do have the exact configuration in Silverstone but so far no deal like that. I think it has been there less time.
) I'm just not sure about the Spa Yellow...I'm a silver car fan. They do have the exact configuration in Silverstone but so far no deal like that. I think it has been there less time.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by LemonHead
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First, congrats S2K - 2K on your new ride! Sounds like you found a deal you could live with. Hope you enjoy your new toy as much as I've enjoyed mine.
And GC, all I can tell you is my comments are based off of my experience. When I walk into a dealership as an educated consumer I've already got the upper hand on just about all the other "100 different people" from the start. Even with all the information so easily available off the internet there are still very few people who take the time to do proper research.
And as for dealers walking away from a low proft deal? Again, that has just not been my experience. I've purchased 6 new vehicles since 1999 and have had a good amount of success in getting deep discounts on all of them. But without a doubt I've had the best results during the late summer/early fall when dealers are desperately wanting to thin out their pervious year models to boost their allocation on the next year models.
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First, congrats S2K - 2K on your new ride! Sounds like you found a deal you could live with. Hope you enjoy your new toy as much as I've enjoyed mine.
And GC, all I can tell you is my comments are based off of my experience. When I walk into a dealership as an educated consumer I've already got the upper hand on just about all the other "100 different people" from the start. Even with all the information so easily available off the internet there are still very few people who take the time to do proper research.
And as for dealers walking away from a low proft deal? Again, that has just not been my experience. I've purchased 6 new vehicles since 1999 and have had a good amount of success in getting deep discounts on all of them. But without a doubt I've had the best results during the late summer/early fall when dealers are desperately wanting to thin out their pervious year models to boost their allocation on the next year models.
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GC,
While I see your points I guess I'm using a alternate meaning of the expression "over a barrel". From the Infoplease.com web site:
"over a barrel, Informal.in a helpless, weak, or awkward position; unable to act: They really had us over a barrel when they foreclosed the mortgage. "
I didn't mean "helpless". I was looking more at the "weak or awkward" variant.
While you are certainly correct that any sale a dealer makes has to have some advantage to the dealer (they are in business to turn a profit afterall) there are many ways that you can cut greatly into a dealers profit margin while still coming out with a mutually beneficial deal. One such point being the angle of new model allocations as I meantioned eariler. One of the greatest times of "weakness" for a dealer is during the current time frame (late Summer / early Fall) when they still have a large stock of the current MY and new MY to be coming in shortly. This is especially true when the new MY is going to have changes or upgrades over the current MY. The dealer really is short on selling points and the consumer is stocked with an arrsenal of sound reasons not to purchase immediately.
Once these factors are presented in the barganing process the consumer can often times persuade a dealer to forgo their profit margin for the sake of dumping old stock, making room for new and increasing promise of greater allocation in the new MY where they know their profit margins are going to be greater due to supply and demand factors.
In fact, I think this theory is so sound that I'm willing to bet that you'll hear of folks picking up '03s at or below factory invoice in the next 6 weeks. The dealer will still break even factoring the dealer holdback but they'll be willing to cut a deal just to clear out the leftover '03s. Because in the longrun, it's to their benefit to do so.
All this equates to a "weak, or awkward" position for the dealer and a rare "upper hand" for the consumer.
As for my car, you bet the dealer made money. They got their dealer hold back plus about $400 over factory invoice. That works out to a little more than enough to pay salesman's small salary and the light bills. Not bad considering I could have easily waited and bought a '04 for someone else and they'd still be stuck with an extra '03 with no allocation for a higher profit '04.
While I see your points I guess I'm using a alternate meaning of the expression "over a barrel". From the Infoplease.com web site:
"over a barrel, Informal.in a helpless, weak, or awkward position; unable to act: They really had us over a barrel when they foreclosed the mortgage. "
I didn't mean "helpless". I was looking more at the "weak or awkward" variant.
While you are certainly correct that any sale a dealer makes has to have some advantage to the dealer (they are in business to turn a profit afterall) there are many ways that you can cut greatly into a dealers profit margin while still coming out with a mutually beneficial deal. One such point being the angle of new model allocations as I meantioned eariler. One of the greatest times of "weakness" for a dealer is during the current time frame (late Summer / early Fall) when they still have a large stock of the current MY and new MY to be coming in shortly. This is especially true when the new MY is going to have changes or upgrades over the current MY. The dealer really is short on selling points and the consumer is stocked with an arrsenal of sound reasons not to purchase immediately.
Once these factors are presented in the barganing process the consumer can often times persuade a dealer to forgo their profit margin for the sake of dumping old stock, making room for new and increasing promise of greater allocation in the new MY where they know their profit margins are going to be greater due to supply and demand factors.
In fact, I think this theory is so sound that I'm willing to bet that you'll hear of folks picking up '03s at or below factory invoice in the next 6 weeks. The dealer will still break even factoring the dealer holdback but they'll be willing to cut a deal just to clear out the leftover '03s. Because in the longrun, it's to their benefit to do so.
All this equates to a "weak, or awkward" position for the dealer and a rare "upper hand" for the consumer.
As for my car, you bet the dealer made money. They got their dealer hold back plus about $400 over factory invoice. That works out to a little more than enough to pay salesman's small salary and the light bills. Not bad considering I could have easily waited and bought a '04 for someone else and they'd still be stuck with an extra '03 with no allocation for a higher profit '04.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by LemonHead
[B]GC,
While I see your points I guess I'm using a alternate meaning of the expression "over a barrel". From the Infoplease.com web site:
"over a barrel, Informal.in a helpless, weak, or awkward position; unable to act: They really had us over a barrel when they foreclosed the mortgage. "
I didn't mean "helpless". I was looking more at the "weak or awkward" variant.
While you are certainly correct that any sale a dealer makes has to have
[B]GC,
While I see your points I guess I'm using a alternate meaning of the expression "over a barrel". From the Infoplease.com web site:
"over a barrel, Informal.in a helpless, weak, or awkward position; unable to act: They really had us over a barrel when they foreclosed the mortgage. "
I didn't mean "helpless". I was looking more at the "weak or awkward" variant.
While you are certainly correct that any sale a dealer makes has to have
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