got pulled over and ticketed today
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Originally Posted by JP_Silver_S2K,Aug 8 2004, 03:43 PM
i just got off the phone with my lawyer he said that the officer is 100% (yes i said 100%) at fault. In new jersey tailgating is infact illegal. and as of sometime in July all NJ state troopers squad cars, and SUV's are fitted with a dahsmounted camera thats recording at all times. my lawyers getting a copy of the tape and will use it in my defense. police are here to serve and protect not dangerously tailgating a civilian car at 70+ miles per hour putting other pedestrians lives at stake. proper following distance is 1 car length for every 10mph, so that would make it 7 car lengths not .5!
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i was going 71-72 mph in a 65 (like i said on the GS parkway) so going 5 mph over the posted speed limit is considered wreckless driving, than 20mph over is considered attempted manslaughter?
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Originally Posted by JP_Silver_S2K,Aug 8 2004, 05:45 PM
i was going 71-72 mph in a 65 (like i said on the GS parkway) so going 5 mph over the posted speed limit is considered wreckless driving, than 20mph over is considered attempted manslaughter?
Are you getting my point yet?
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Honestly, as much as the guy in the S is wrong, so was the cop. 5mph over is really not a major offense and you can use it to justify the brakes in a way if you're sneaky.
The more severe crime here would definately be tailgating. There is nothing that gets me more paranoid than a car following too close especially when it's a damn
ing SUV that weighs over 3 tons and has brakes that belong on a go-kart. I mean seriously now...you're suppose to keep people from doing that sort of thing and protect lives...not endanger them yourselves.
I've seen that BS plenty of times before by cops who tailgate, drive through traffic without signaling and constantly cutting people off SHARPLY, and go in excess of 90mph in 55's...I see it every month on the GCP. They need to stop thinking they're above the law and honestly, the cop was the one being completely reckless here. It's pretty much common sense that when someone taps the brakes the first time you're tailgating...it means back off cause the guy in front is a dick. An SUV should definately NOT be traveling at that rate of speed so closely. The driver in the S should definately have let the car speeding pass, but hey, that's more of an optional choice to let one pass.
5mph over really isn't a serious violation and since it was taken off a speedo...it wont really have that much credibility in court since you're given almost a 5-7mph slack for inaccuracy.
The more severe crime here would definately be tailgating. There is nothing that gets me more paranoid than a car following too close especially when it's a damn
ing SUV that weighs over 3 tons and has brakes that belong on a go-kart. I mean seriously now...you're suppose to keep people from doing that sort of thing and protect lives...not endanger them yourselves.I've seen that BS plenty of times before by cops who tailgate, drive through traffic without signaling and constantly cutting people off SHARPLY, and go in excess of 90mph in 55's...I see it every month on the GCP. They need to stop thinking they're above the law and honestly, the cop was the one being completely reckless here. It's pretty much common sense that when someone taps the brakes the first time you're tailgating...it means back off cause the guy in front is a dick. An SUV should definately NOT be traveling at that rate of speed so closely. The driver in the S should definately have let the car speeding pass, but hey, that's more of an optional choice to let one pass.
5mph over really isn't a serious violation and since it was taken off a speedo...it wont really have that much credibility in court since you're given almost a 5-7mph slack for inaccuracy.
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Originally Posted by JP_Silver_S2K,Aug 8 2004, 02:45 PM
i was going 71-72 mph in a 65 (like i said on the GS parkway) so going 5 mph over the posted speed limit is considered wreckless driving, than 20mph over is considered attempted manslaughter?
were you going 85 or 71-72????
so im doin 85 slowly speeding up to the front of the line when the car in back of me who is literally a 1/2 an inch away from my bumper is still riding my ass.
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Tailgating is wrong, period. If there's an accident where a car gets rear-ended, the car in front isn't the one to blame, it's the guy in the back (ask me how I know this). In Hawaii it doesn't matter what speed anyone was traveling as much as it does determining who rear-ended who. It's common knowledge that the car doing the following must provide a 2 second interval in relation to the driving speed.
Brake checking to the extent stated in the original post is wrong but I understand the frustration from the driver in front for doing so (it doesn't justify the action though). It's said that you can slow down a bit, light up your brake lights a couple of times to notify the driver in the rear that they're following too closely.
What I've done in the past was slow down to a speed near or just below the absolute minimum speed and stayed there. If the driver insisted on riding your rear bumper, I'd accelerate hard then slow down quickly just to see if he'd rear end me. I'm not saying you should do this, but in my case, the driver did rear-end me and it ended up in court and I won. The court ruled that even though I drove a little too slow, the driver had the means of passing me, yet refused to yield a safe distance to prevent the accident in the first place, and in the court's opinion, the driver behind me had the intent of pissing me off.
Brake checking to the extent stated in the original post is wrong but I understand the frustration from the driver in front for doing so (it doesn't justify the action though). It's said that you can slow down a bit, light up your brake lights a couple of times to notify the driver in the rear that they're following too closely.
What I've done in the past was slow down to a speed near or just below the absolute minimum speed and stayed there. If the driver insisted on riding your rear bumper, I'd accelerate hard then slow down quickly just to see if he'd rear end me. I'm not saying you should do this, but in my case, the driver did rear-end me and it ended up in court and I won. The court ruled that even though I drove a little too slow, the driver had the means of passing me, yet refused to yield a safe distance to prevent the accident in the first place, and in the court's opinion, the driver behind me had the intent of pissing me off.
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Originally Posted by Honda 224 GTS,Aug 8 2004, 01:24 AM
I am a criminal defense attorney. Take my advice. Don't argue with the police. Most of the officers I come into contact with are pretty decent guys (and they arrest my client). They're doing a job. But that's not my point ...
...Don't argue with the police because you won't win. My knucklehead clients learn the hard way. Even when you win .. you lose! You argue and you're only going to piss them off. They write you a citation or arrest you. Nice for you, huh? So you go to court and argue your case. Most of the time the Judge won't want to hear it because the officer will tell the Judge what a jackhole your were and the Judge won't then cut you any slack. But even if you win -- you lose. My clients feel so vindicated when they win their case. It cost them lawyer fees, the hassle of being arrested, the hassle of going to court -- and they still think they've won. Dumb.
The officer ALWAYS wins. He's getting paid to go to court. Are you?
[and, IMO, what you did on the highway was childish and dangerous. Move over and let them pass -- even if you're doing 100 mph. The highway is not the place to teach people lessons.]
...Don't argue with the police because you won't win. My knucklehead clients learn the hard way. Even when you win .. you lose! You argue and you're only going to piss them off. They write you a citation or arrest you. Nice for you, huh? So you go to court and argue your case. Most of the time the Judge won't want to hear it because the officer will tell the Judge what a jackhole your were and the Judge won't then cut you any slack. But even if you win -- you lose. My clients feel so vindicated when they win their case. It cost them lawyer fees, the hassle of being arrested, the hassle of going to court -- and they still think they've won. Dumb.
The officer ALWAYS wins. He's getting paid to go to court. Are you?
[and, IMO, what you did on the highway was childish and dangerous. Move over and let them pass -- even if you're doing 100 mph. The highway is not the place to teach people lessons.]
