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Old Oct 3, 2007 | 12:19 AM
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yay! I helpped sum ppl
but theres a lil more to it than jus the dance of the heel
theres also 'wen' to do the movement and when to shift during, which, most of u will jus have to figure out on ur own

my lil way is ''start brake first, clutch second''
so soon as I'm on the brake, I'm going into position as the clutch is depressed. then the shifting happens and sumtimes a longer clutch release, more blip, or brake input to synch things up

remember: the purpose of heel and toe is to ''use 3 pedals with 2 feet''
thas it.

oh and flat footed sneakers and a set driving postion help
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Old Oct 3, 2007 | 12:25 AM
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hhmmm i rev match all the time...but sometimes i get lazy and just downshift on low rpms since i always cruise on 6th gear to save gas...and oo yahh heel toe on turns.. good feeling!!
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Old Oct 3, 2007 | 12:28 AM
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Originally Posted by rajcat,Oct 3 2007, 02:19 AM
oh and flat footed sneakers and a set driving postion help
I know this is true but I've always had more success with running shoes with a decent amount of rubber on the heel. Maybe it's a as a result of most of my driving experience being in these type of shoes, maybe it's the shape of my foot and the amount of room in the S for leg position, I'm not sure.

Just something that I've found for myself, but I know it's not a typical thing.
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Old Oct 3, 2007 | 01:16 AM
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Originally Posted by MikeyCB,Oct 3 2007, 12:28 AM
I know this is true but I've always had more success with running shoes with a decent amount of rubber on the heel. Maybe it's a as a result of most of my driving experience being in these type of shoes, maybe it's the shape of my foot and the amount of room in the S for leg position, I'm not sure.

Just something that I've found for myself, but I know it's not a typical thing.
when the snow hits and i change over to the blizzacks, i may have to change my seat a lil further back as i change shoes and drive with my Timberlands on more.

since they have a heel, ive noticed the amount of swing and use of the heel is different from the flat-bottomed-skate-shoes i love to drive in

it seems like u have to reach out a lil further with the heel of the shoe, other wise u will miss the accelerator, resulting in an scarey tire chirp...

changing shoes may force u to relearn ur technique just for that type of shoe...
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Old Oct 3, 2007 | 01:37 AM
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I always rev-match every downshift if i'm not braking. I don't usually downshift into 1st on the street though; I think it's too taxing on the syncros.

I heel-toe when neccessary.
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Old Oct 3, 2007 | 01:50 AM
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Originally Posted by rajcat,Oct 3 2007, 03:16 AM
when the snow hits and i change over to the blizzacks, i may have to change my seat a lil further back as i change shoes and drive with my Timberlands on more.

since they have a heel, ive noticed the amount of swing and use of the heel is different from the flat-bottomed-skate-shoes i love to drive in

it seems like u have to reach out a lil further with the heel of the shoe, other wise u will miss the accelerator, resulting in an scarey tire chirp...

changing shoes may force u to relearn ur technique just for that type of shoe...
Yes!

Years ago I originally learned out to drive stick in the winter in big clunky steel toed boots. I always thought it would be interesting if I became a race car driver and my choice in footwear was steel-toed boots. Like that old Tony Danza movie where he was a garbage man turned football kicker and he only kicked in his work boots. I haven't seen him in years... Who's the boss now, Tony?

I'm trying to go from memory and it's just natural now, but I'm pretty sure I use the thick rubber heel to catch the edge of the gas pedal and almost push it towards the tunnel from the side as opposed to directly down on the pedal from the top. I think everyone will perfect their own technique if they understand the concept and practice.
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Old Oct 3, 2007 | 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by rocrfella,Oct 2 2007, 09:09 PM
The hardest trick is feel how fast you are going and know how much to blip. Too much or too little will upset the balance of the car and that defeats the purpose of heel-toe.
If the blip is off a little (for the rev match) you can still keep the car balanced by using a slow clutch release. Of course if it's WAY off that's another matter, but it's really not hard to get it close. You are slowing rapidly, so if you blip hard enough to get the engine speed ABOVE a perfect match, and then just let the clutch out smoothly, as the engine speed matches up with the road speed, the car will stay nicely balanced. If you get it even close to right, the only balance shift will be due to the additional breaking due to the lower gear you've just engaged. IOW, the car will settle smoothly into the new attitude without overshooting (and that's the real goal when it comes to being smooth and maintaining balance).
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Old Oct 3, 2007 | 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by RED MX5,Oct 3 2007, 08:18 AM
If the blip is off a little (for the rev match) you can still keep the car balanced by using a slow clutch release. Of course if it's WAY off that's another matter, but it's really not hard to get it close. You are slowing rapidly, so if you blip hard enough to get the engine speed ABOVE a perfect match, and then just let the clutch out smoothly, as the engine speed matches up with the road speed, the car will stay nicely balanced. If you get it even close to right, the only balance shift will be due to the additional breaking due to the lower gear you've just engaged. IOW, the car will settle smoothly into the new attitude without overshooting (and that's the real goal when it comes to being smooth and maintaining balance).
This is very true. You will sometimes hear what sounds like a double rev when someone doesn't quite match the revs on a downshift, 1st rev while clutch is in and throttle is blipped, 2nd when clutch is let out and the wheel speed brings the engine up higher. Doesn't send the car into a spin or anything, just means a little more practice getting a feel for the engine/throttle/speed in this situation will have you matching nicely in no time.

There are some good videos you can probably find on Youtube that will give you a view of the pedals in a little picture in picture box along with the tach, and you'll notice when heel and toeing on the track that many pros don't even seem to be pushing the gas pedal down with their heel, simply swinging it right into the side of the pedal. It's interesting to watch the coordination broken up in those little picture in pictures.
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Old Oct 3, 2007 | 07:45 AM
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My foot is unfortunately too small/narrow for heel n toe, it slips right between the OEM pedals. Eventually I'll get wider pedals but in the meantime I double-clutch all the time...even in high heels.

Cheers,
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Old Oct 3, 2007 | 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by f1_fanz,Oct 3 2007, 09:45 AM
My foot is unfortunately too small/narrow for heel n toe, it slips right between the OEM pedals. Eventually I'll get wider pedals but in the meantime I double-clutch all the time...even in high heels.

Cheers,
Diane
First of all, thank you for ending that with your name (and it being a female one) after the high heels comment

How come you double clutch, is it just how you learned and haven't kicked the habit? It's kind of an unnecessary technique with today's transmissions, unless you're driving a big rig. Which you shouldn't be doing in high heels anyway
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