[QUOTE]Originally posted by HI SPEEDR

 

From my experience with the last 4 hondas I've owned/leased, Honda quality is going downhill at a very high rate. Forget about performance cars, even the Accords/Civics are not the same anymore. Most people who praise Honda's reliability are most proably talking about cars that are at least two generation older than the present models.

As for dealerships and service, just a bunch of incompetent thugs. Period.

Strongs statements, I know, but very true in my experience.

Does anyone wonder why honda still offers only a 36,000miles/3 years warranty on drivetrain components? There are not many other auto manufactures these days with such a shitty warranty.

 

squibb,

That's interesting to learn, although I have a great Honda dealer with an excellent service department, them and the other Honda dealerships that I've been to have never offered me a loaner. With Acura, I get one for just an oil change.

There are many others out there that have gone to dealers all over the country and they rarely get a loaner car from Honda unless they push very hard for it. I don't think that all of these dealers are not focused on customer service, I think that the Honda side doesn't push dealer to give loaners but the Acura side does.

On the warranty issue that mas mentioned, he is correct, that the standard Honda warranty is lacking when compared to other manufacturers, even themselves. Acura warranty is much better than the Honda side. Granted, the Accord and Civic are not classified as luxary cars, but they are considered better than Hyundai and Suzuki sedans which offer a better warranty at a much cheaper price. If the Hondas are more reliable than the other imports out there then there should be no problem giving out a better warranty.

I think in the next few years it will change for the better when this becomes more apparent to them.

 

btw...
The new Suzuki sedan is Daewoo's car.
It's pretty much same as Laganza with Daewoo's I-6 engine.
I guess Daewoo gave up with their bad reputation in N.A. market and now tryin to sell those car under Suzuki name...
Poor Suzuki...ppl dont buy that car..

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by 3ngin33r1
squibb,

That's interesting to learn, although I have a great Honda dealer with an excellent service department, them and the other Honda dealerships that I've been to have never offered me a loaner.

 

When I took my S in to get the hardtop installed the Honda dealer gave me a Civic for a loaner. My Acura dealer never once gave me a loaner in the years since I bought my '92 Integra new (just sold this year). Both of these dealerships are owned by the same guy. go figure.
Even though there are plenty of good service employees in the business, I have to agree with mas on his statement concerning dealerships/service departments. Incompetent thugs. Almost anyone can tell you a real horror story about thier dealer. And you thought your story was a real corker.
I have learned to buy the parts and do all the work myself (friends with tools and garage help). If you don't you are going to need pretty deep pockets. I've also owned plenty of domestics (in my younger days) and it is the same all over. $50 to top off your fluids and look at your brakes, etc. blah blah blah. DIY!
As for Honda's reliability I have owned 2 '81 Civics, a '92 Integra, a '90 Accord and my '03 S2000. All of which did or do perform better maintenence wise than the other makes I have owned and serviced.


My $.02

 

Nope, Daewoo missed a few payments and the Korean government called them bankrupt since they couldn't pay their bills. GM stepped in a bought some of their assets. One of the assets they didn't buy was Daewoo America, so they had no access to any cars to sell so they folded as well. GM is using Daewoo as a means into the Asian territory as their current lineup fails to sell. GM has no plans of selling Daewoo here in the US, maybe down the road they will import them but be rebadged as a Chevy or a Saturn.

Daewoo left because their new owner wanted them to leave.

 

yeah but that new Suzuki sedan(Verona) is Daewoo's car.
That car was aval 3 years ago in domestic market(korea) and car is based on Daewoo Laganza.
Now Suzuki selling those car and I cant imagine how it will bring down Suzuki's brand image as low as Daewoo
That car was developed BEFORE GM took Daewoo.

 

Looks like you missed the point. Squibb thought Daewoo left the NA market because of their quality, which is not the case. They left because their new owner wanted them to leave. All Suzuki has done is taken a Daewoo vehicle, put their name on it and offer it for sale. It doesn't matter when the car was developed. It is no different then the Geo name that GM used, none of the vehicles were made by GM.

 

I sure don't...Kia, Hyundai, and Dodge offer excellent warranties to entice customers to buy their cars. A better warranty doesn't mean it is a better car.