Number 1 and 3 need to learn how to rev-match or they will keep spinning over and over

 

I don't know that I agree. The first video, he didn't snap oversteer and was off throttle in a straight line. He was just plain going too fast for the curve and didn't have enough grip to make the turn. So he just slid sideways as he missed the turn. I don't think balance had much to do with it. Just ran out of grip. Also, staying on the throttle wouldn't have helped (as he was going too fast to begin with).

I'd like to hear what some of the experienced track guys have to say.

 

Each S2000 spun out and did not case any real physical damage. Thats about it.

most people cant drive on the road let alone on a track, no surprises here what so ever. Altho I believe the second video looks like shift lock and i believe its supercharged?

 

I like this thread!

Driver 1: No rev match caused abrupt engine braking which caused the loss of traction.

Driver 2: Looks very skilled but had (()) on his mind and was trying to show off.

Driver 3: Also skilled but seemed like he must have panicked or had a major brain fart as there was no attempt to correct.

 

Imo:

#1 -- no rev match + going too fast. Probably a noob

#2 -- damn good driver who just made a mistake for not rev-matching perfectly in not-perfect conditions. If I'm mistaken, I've seen videos of that guy driving that car before. Pretty amazing driving ... it was just one mistake he made. Seriously ...

#3 -- not a bad driver just didn't save the car well. Looks like his front left tire went into the hole on the left, and car's balance of thrown off

All 3 spun out, that's the common factor. However, they aren't exactly the same thing ...

 

Is it really that important to rev-match that lack of rev-matching will cause crashes like this? The way I think, rev-matching only helps the syncros out in the gearbox. (I mean the heel-toe stuff)

Say for example: I come up fast to a turn, I brake hard and as the cars starts to slow down, I push down the clutch and put in the right gear for the turn. When I enter the turn I stop braking and move my right foot to the gas pedal, now while only turning without any acceleration or braking, I smootly give it some gas and gently let go of the clutch not to have the wheels brake loose.

Is this a bad way to do it?

 

Rev-match is meant to minimize the impact of a shift on a car's balance

With all that said, the first guy would be okay had he entered the turn a slower (so that he's not entering the corner too fast, and so that it gives the car a bit more time to gain its balance after the abrupt shift), or rev matched so the balance won't be thrown off but still need to be a tad slower before entering the corner. either case, he just needs to go in a little slower.

second guy ... honestly ... he's quite good imo. I'm just trying to find something to blame on for him

3rd guy ... no rev match issue there. Just that the driver hit a pot hole on the left if you look at the video

 

^... U can do that during daily driving
but you'll have a high chance of upsetting the balance of the car mid-corner and would lead to spinout.

I've tried to do it this way before while taking a corner aggressively and it's hard. I'm more comfortable doing a heel toe shift instead. This way I can focus on steering and throttle while exiting the corner instead of trying to balance the clutch too.

 

My legs are too long and the steering wheel is too far down so I can't do a heel-toe on this car! =(

 

[QUOTE=604toaster,Feb 8 2009, 04:32 AM] ^... U can do that during daily driving
but you'll have a high chance of upsetting the balance of the car mid-corner and would lead to spinout.

I've tried to do it this way before while taking a corner aggressively and it's hard.