<<S2K should be able to hang with new M3 with Comptech SC for $5K...>>

Superchargers will be available for the new M3 too...some estimates say that around 450-500 HP is very possible.

Stan

 

M3 0-60 in 4.8 seconds
S2K 0-60 in 5.0 seconds

Am I the only logic on who does not believe this is being "Blown out of the water"???

question: Why are you arguing with me??? I have stated many times now that the M3 will be faster, but it will be close. the thing weighs a ton.

But once again, your arguments are hearsay, the M3 has NOT been tested, I have said this many times now but you continue to post BMW's numbers. At this point, entities have not tested it and they are QUOTING bwm's numbers. I honestly cannot believe people are making arguments regarding performance numbers when no real numbers have been tested by non-biased entities.

For Example:

Car & Driver review: December 2000 (manufacturer numbers)


When Car & Driver, Motor Trend and Road and track have objectively tested it, specifically against its competition at the same time on the same track, then you might be able to objectively argue its performance numbers.

Now, if you have an argument with this, you are arguing just to argue

 

Wishful thinking, it won't be close. The M3 has a better power to weight ratio and a broader power band with the much larger displacement.

Each car offers it own value, and the S2K will clearly exceed the M3 in top down joys and bang for the buck.. but you will have to give the M3 the nod in some other areas.

 

Where did you dream up 5.0 0-60 for the S2K? Now that is something "I honestly cannot believe". Re-read my post (or read it for the first time) and realize that some of the independent magazines listed at http://www.thedoughouse.com/m3stuff.htm have done their own tests and got 1/4 miles of 13.2 sec.

You don't have to believe me though. Sooner or later you'll line up against one, and then you'll see for your self.

[This message has been edited by Silver S2K (edited November 19, 2000).]

 

A low 5 0-60 time for the S2000 is a really good launch. The m3 will do this everytime.

Also, when looking at track performance, look to the M5. This car is a barnburner in a straight line, but on a track its weight catches up with it. The same may be true with the new M3. I would guess that the new M3 and the S2000 would be similar on a road course because the s2000 is generally faster than current M3, M coupes and M roadsters.

My $.02

 

I

 

First-off, with fast cars such as these, 0-60 numbers are absolutely meaningless. A straight line race usually takes about 10 seconds or more.

Comparing 0-60 is never as good as comparing time to distance such as 1/4 mile.

A good s2000 driver will do a 14.0-14.2.
A good E46 M3 driver WILL do 13.2-13.4.

That is 6 to 10 car lengths . That is a ROYAL ass whipping.

What else do we have to say. True, the car weighs a lot, but it has the power to back it up.

Currently we can run and sometimes beat M roadsters and M coupes, the boxster S, the LT1 F-bodies ...

But no matter how you look at it unless you have a REALLY incompetent driver we will NEVER beat a E46 in a straight line. With all that torque, it is much easier to drive that thing properly.

 

Todd... where did the 5.0 for the S2000 come from? I think the best i have seen is 5.3 from Motor trend.... that .3 plus the fact that BMW always under-estimates it's #'s will make for a large differnece in such a short race.

Try 0-100... 13.6 for the S2000, 11.6 for the M5.

BMW has stated that the M3 is the FASTEST M car ever made, which would make it faster than a M5, which already kicks the S2000's arse.

Scot

 

http://www.bmw.com/bmwe/products/automobiles/m/sedan

check out the BMW Manuf. stats on the M5 (0-100km (62mph) in 5.3 seconds)

MT got 4.7 to 60mph and C&D got 4.8 to 60mph. That would mean it would take a full

 

Sorry about the long delay, frayed. Both cars are around 37 Hz in torsion. Frequency is one measure of stiffness as opposed to, say, kN/mm. The Greek letter, omega, is the symbol for stiffness in the units, Hz, of cycles per second. It's quantified by the square root of [k/m]. Where 'k' is the stiffness and 'm' is the mass.

I am looking for the report to study the modal shapes for the torsional rigidity as the peak value only tells part of the story. But in general, and the Z3 falls into this category as well, have some of the best body shells in the business.

As an aside, it looks as if Ford has purchased BMW. God damned Quandt family heirs... May we bow our heads for a moment of silence...